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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Cops aren't supposed to be smart

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Killings by law enforcement in Canada

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Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 19 hours ago

QUIT THEN, FFS

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

TF is this article supposed to be saying? Feel bad for ICE? So sad they willingly wrecked families or deported old people and other legal residents? Doesn’t seem to be slowing them down any.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Kys or quit those are your options

[–] match@pawb.social 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

they could christopher dorner as well

[–] aturtlesdream@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago
[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

"I'm a foot soldier for a sadistic evil regime. Poor me!"

Maybe try not being a foot soldier for a sadistic evil regime?

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

No sympathy for Nazis.

[–] leftthegroup@lemmings.world 19 points 1 day ago

Poor babies.

I condone and support and hope to see a mass suicide for ICE. Clean up the problem without getting more innocent people caught up in it.

Chug the Koolaid. Die faster so I can laugh harder.

[–] webp@mander.xyz 16 points 1 day ago
[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just a reminder. That a lot of the people in these departments are already mentally ill. It’s how vets get jobs. Tons of undiagnosed PTSD in these people. Just keep up the push back. They will buckle.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's how vets get jobs... I don't know what to tell ya, buddy. Seems like your world view is all fucked up and I have no idea where to start... Do... Do you think mental illness helps you get and keep a job? Is that what you're saying?

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve worked with these people. They are violent monsters that watch too much faux news. I give no one respect if you are a violent monster who doesn’t get treatment. I have no problem with people with mental illnesses. I have my own. But I don’t support people who talk about killing other people because they disagree with their beliefs. Which I have heard talked about by these same people.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I think you need to refine your argument.

[–] Cocopanda@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

I can agree with that.

[–] frozenpopsicle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 21 hours ago

When I hear ICE has complaints I think of the annoying baby mario sound from yoshis Island.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"forced" Remember, no one forces them to commit massive human rights violations, every single ICE "agent" has to justify in front of the International Court Of Justice in The Hague. We are preparing the seats, ICE agents, I hope you are ready for what is coming. Pleading "just following orders" didn't work during the Nürnberg Trials and won't help you now.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 points 14 hours ago

And the Nazis actually invaded and conquered the Hague, but they still ended up hanging.

[–] match@pawb.social 3 points 19 hours ago

the US is going to change radically by the time we bring ICE agents (and the rest of the trump administration) to justice

[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 38 points 1 day ago

If it bothers them so much, they can just quit. Otherwise STFU.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

Oh no are the nazis sad? Boo fucking hoo.

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Quit now or fuck off.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, they'll weed out the people who have any shred of humanity or empathy.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh no Nazi sad? Too bad. Every one of you are criminals and will be trialed as such when the American Nazis hang.

[–] Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So that's where they draw the line?

Gardeners? Well okay.

Seems to me that they had no issue with arresting & deporting the elderly, children, separating parents and children, documented legal immigrants and so on.

Sucks to be forced to deport your own gardener, I guess..

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Don't forget literally snatching children as "bait". Kid's a birthright citizen, but if you arrest THEM and they call Mom about "some people said they were from ICE and they took me away from school", you can arrest the parents when they show up and deport THEM instead (and often put the kid in foster care instead of sending them with their parents to whatever country of origin.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They signed up to deport violent criminals, but only get to arrest the harmless ones.

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nah. This is ICE were talking about.

They signed up because they're racist shitbag fascists.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't see the contradiction. A lot of 'normal people' are racist shitbag fascists. How do you think we ended up here in the first place?

Also, did you even fucking read this?

I spoke to a gregarious New York police officer who was fed up with patrolling Times Square and all “the savages” there.

Yeah, totally normal, everyday folk. No racism in their motives at all!

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Police always encounter all the problems society fails to solve and dumps it on their lap. It’s perfectly understandable when they become jaded, callous, and so on. They do the work they are ordered to, but the problems never become better.

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, things are starting to make more sense about your initial opinion I guess. So at least there's that.

[–] klu9@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

"Bullshit street rips to bump the COMPSTAT numbers."

Why yes, I am in the middle of a Wire rewatch. Why do you ask?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah, the poor widdle babies! But who exactly is "forcing" them? "I was just following orders" is going to go down about as well as it did during the Nuremberg trials, when this madness has finally played out.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So the USA will get a slap on the wrist, and be given enough money to rebuild an industry without ever paying reparations to anyone?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Western Germany did pay a bit of reparations but undoubtedly not nearly close to even resemble the damage it had done. Eastern Germany was paying quite extensively to the Sovjet Union, albeit all the machines and resources they could take from there also would not amount to anything close of what the Germans did in the Sovjet Union.

The Nuremberg trials only made a few prominent cases but left a lot of people off the hook. A lot of the "middle management" of the Nazi regime made a career in Western Germany politics, industry, courts, security apparatus and military. Infamously there is still places named after the SS Officer Hans Martin Schleyer who was tasked with the "arrisation" of the czech economy and later became the president of the German employer organization and the German industrial organization, two of the most powerful corporate lobby groups. Instead of tossing this SS scumbag to the historical gutter, he is celebrated as a martyr in the fight against communism because he was killed by the RAF terrorist Organization in 1977.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Germany lost a significant part of their eastern territory in WW1 and then again even more in WW2. Millions of Germans were ethnically cleansed from east of the Oder river where they had lived for centuries. Millions died during this. Half of what’s now Poland used to be Germany. Kaliningrad/Königsberg and Gdańsk/Danzig used to be major German cities.

Occupation of Germany split in two continued until 1990. In Western Germany the Allied Control Council curtailed Germany‘s sovereignty as well.

There were also restrictions on technology and industry for example aerospace, where Germany had been leading in some areas. Germany was severely damaged in many ways. Berlin still hasn’t reached the same population level it had in 1942 for example.

The Soviets suffered more death and destruction during WW2, but they were taking good advantage of their new powerful position as a superpower. Remember that Poland was invaded by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union at the same time. Ethnic cleansing and forced resettlement of millions was a common policy in the Soviet Union.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Something like that. We'll be lucky if even the most senior people ever get punished. As for the lower echelons, a few will be randomly picked and made an example of, but most won't face serious consequences.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 30 points 1 day ago

They are not welcome in civil society, so hopefully that morale doesn't improve after the failure of trumps presidency and the convictions for blatant disregard of people's rights, including Americans.

If they don't show id and a warrant, they aren't protected personally from prosecution.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

There's always a choice.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

“No drug cases, no human trafficking, no child exploitation; it’s infuriating,” another ICE agent told Miroff, who added that he was leaning towards quitting the agency rather than continue “arresting gardeners.”

Come now! They're "leaning" towards quitting!

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago

No, just fail at conpleting the task. 'we couldn't find them, but we'll keep looking'

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just go to miami, plenty of Cubans for Trump to kick out illegally, and they'll love it!