This country has already crossed the Rubicon after the events of January 6th in my opinion. What’s we saw in LA was the declaration of war from this administration on its own people. We need to unite, fight, and stand against this tyrannical regime. If the White House is afraid of us now just you wait you pos’s.
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Remember historically successful resitances don't meet the enemy on an open front. They harrass and kill individuals. Soldiers that are alone, at home, and at the bar have historically been targets
Im trying to imagine being an american warcrimer being exposed to this, stuff like french and dutch and eastern european partisans pulled in world war two, and i dont think im even getting a full picture of how much it would suck to be them.
And I think it would suck a lot. Like, even the co workers of a guy who got lured out on tinder or something and butchered would be fucked the hell up. And since everything has so much of the same stuff as home-all the traffic signs and most of the big chain stores etc, all the people look pretty much like the ones at home, there wouldn't really be any way to heal from the trauma.
Like, if you watch sargent bob get splattered all over you and got some nasty burns from an ied in front of the wal mart on mlkjr blvd in los angeles across from a poorly greebled 5over1, and you went home, i dont think you'd be cool going past the wal mart on mlk jr blvd in Tallahassee or whatever shit hole they fished hypothetical baby storm trooper you out of, or living in a poorly greebled 5over1. Doubly so if the guy who did it had been in the same frat as your father in law, and you saw pictures of him in some family photo album years later.
Even small crap would echo out for decades. They would kind of be 'over' as people.
Im not sure i would have any sympathy, but damn, that's an ugly fucking outcome. Really hoping enough of them have enough of a conscience to not press the metaphorical big red button, and we dont end up either there, or Dachau.
I'm all for this
I worry that if it reaches a point where he's genuinely worried about being deposed, he wouldn't hesitate to drop nukes on American civilians.
I do agree but with the nukes thing idk I could see Donny declaring martial law and suspending elections till the “protesters” are gone and when that doesn’t work then it will get worse, if we allow it too.
Civilians are going to be gunned down. The media will paint the victims as violent criminals. In the burbs, Frank Freeway and Mary Minivan won't care, what's on Netflix?
I don't want to downplay the alarm bells going off over this move. It's definitely as bad as many are saying. On the other hand, I do want to set some right expectations. National guardsmen are modern professional soldiers and, as such, are far more disciplined than average police officers. Civilian casualties are always a possibility, and might even be what this administration wants, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see anything like another Kent State. If anything, I'll bet most of the guardsmen are pretty frustrated with Trump for being called up for bullshit reasons.
Frustrated, modern (whatever that means in this context), professional, and yet, still willing to point a gun at peaceful civilian protestors.
The jackboot is coming down on your head, but at least it's polished, neatly tied, and only coming down hard enough to knock you out, not kill you.
Modern, as in trained for flexible mission parameters in a modern urban environment where earning/keeping the respect of the local civilian population is a critical part of the mission. A step beyond the reactionary notion that Brute force and brutal suppression are always the most effective path. A military where soldiers are trained to question orders and made individually responsible for following illegal orders.
For example, say what you will about America's ultimate failure in Afghanistan, our soldiers on the ground became experts in local culture and factions and built cooperation to achieve mission objectives without alienating the population. If our political leadership was as professional as our soldiers I think things would have ended a lot differently.
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I think the problem though is neither side is going to back down which means clashes between troops/police is going to keep escalating until someone at one of these events pushes things too far and the troops/police end up firing on people. Especially as they are most likely going to start trying to push to end the protests through arrests rather then just focusing on control which will just antagonize people more. Realistically what other end scenario is there to this if Trump keeps throwing gasoline on the fire? It's either gonna be a brutal crackdown on the protests with "less then lethal" weapons done by the military or end up being a bloodbath. Either way both outcomes would be horrifying to see happening in America, dictators use the military to put down protests and if we let that happen without any kind of severe backlash then we're pretty much fucked.
Do you still have misplaced faith in US institutions? Your conjecture was proven incorrect in less than 24 hours.
My point was that soldiers are less likely than cops to unnecessarily use lethal force, and you think that cops using lethal force is somehow a counterexample? Logic.
To be fair those incidents aren't inconsistent with his hopes, that the national guard may be more restrained than the police forces that did those actions.
Police have spent an entire career actively considering the civilian population potential enemies at all times, with less vetting and training than you'd hope they should have.
National Guardsmen have access to equipment and training, but their careers are less likely to have been antagonistic to civilian populations.
This may be an overly optimistic viewpoint, but it's not one disproved by those incidents just yet.
To be fair, that was a cop, trained to panic
Edit: nevermind. Got on wifi and watched video. That was a cop trained that there are no consequences for its actions, and getting off on the impunity.
Not trying to defend NG or any US troops, but those examples were from the LA police, not the national guard. Of all the worst direct violence I've seen so far from LA, National Guard haven't been the ones attacking. From reports I've heard they are mostly standing around federal property because that's all they have jurisdiction at.
"Oh, you have a [baby|upcoming deadline|scheduled holiday] in your regular life? Drop everything and harass these protesters while trying not to worry about regular life "
I'd be frustrated, too.
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Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
We're finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio
Gotta get down to it, soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her and found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?
Given the general reaction to Lugi I'd be more inclined to think they just paint themselves as the villain. People, not everyone but some, are realizing what's going on. They tell their friends and so on.
People that I know who never cared about politics are taking strong stances. I know it looks grim but I feel like the people are waking up and this is the reaction to that, but in this day and age you can't stop a large shift that easy.
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Fascists only leave power one way
Trump needs to be removed from office before this gets worse.
He shouldn't have even been an option
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Yeah, anyone thinking that there is even a remotely fair election in 2026 and again in 2028 really should come and take a look at that bridge in my backyard that I'm selling...
Don't worry , all of this means that somehow the stock market will rally on Monday and that's really all that matters.
How much? I only got thee fiddy
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That’s a lot of nazis.
Buy guns if you don't have any yet.
I live across the big pond and even I'm getting guns. Fascism has a nasty habit of spreading like wildfire, even before the era of Internet.
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No no no. When push comes to shove the heroic military will fight against fascism. Ignore all the fucking evidence to the contrary and support the troops.
Not wrong. At "best," we'll see a fracturing of the military...which could be much more trouble than it's worth. I'd expect a small wave of resignations/desertions (since resignation for an officer takes a long time). The remainder of good people will actively try to avoid and sea-lawyer their way out of doing any damage to civilians without violating orders. There will be a good chunk who will happily fire on US civilians, though.
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He wants to machine gun Americans
In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.
Because fuck the Posse Comitatus Act
Yup, but that line was crossed when he federalized National Guard troops for domestic policing. Federalized National Guard troops are legally the same as active duty military, both are title 10 troops and are restricted in their domestic use to the same degree. There is legally no difference between federalized National Guard and any active duty military, including tier one special forces as far as posse comitatus. This is a flagrant and illegal abuse of emergency powers.
Trump needs to watch Civil War
Bold of you to assume he would learn anything
He should be made to participate in one.
He is gearing up for it
LA is also a good opportunity to say: This and this and this high ranking officer failed and will be replaced (by a loyalist).
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