& boy he needs to win
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I'm sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system
RCV undermines the necessity for a partisan vote. That's why Cuomo - the party establishment pick - lost by 8 points to a local outsider with better politics and a cleaner reputation.
But I agree, at some point, you do need to support someone. And if that someone is part of a large political organization (aka a party) they can bring a lot of financial and labor resources to bare when organizing and implementing political reforms. In the case of New York City, which is functionally a one party municipality (Dems regularly swamp the GOP 2:1), Zohran's entrance to the statewide political scene is a huge break from the traditional partisan politics that gave us Eric Adams and threatened to give us four more years of a corrupt, real estate entwined sex pest.
The fact that he's got a large, active, well-financed DSA behind him - in a way that transformed a coronation into a competitive primary - is a huge point in his favor.
The two party system is a symptom of the actual cause.
Although the cause is actively encouraged by the symptom.
time to tell everyone NY democrats to "Vote blue no matter who"
Fuck I hope so...
Yo if telling yourselves that headline is what it takes to get you dudes out there to vote for the DNC so they can get to ending Citizens United, creating fair elections maps, taxing the rich, and expanding medical coverage: power to you. Let's go!
No. AOC was.
AOC is going to need allies and a progressive coalition. We need to change the composition of the party from within in exactly this way. We just need way more of it.
I fervently hope so.
Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.
I start wondering if it’s safe to imagine that maybe things could get better
It's always safe to imagine. Imagining is the first step to a better place to live. But the dream can't live in your head forever. At some point, you need to take action.
I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.
Mobilizing a large group of activists around a set of tangible and popular goals is its own reward, whether or not the electoral system is accommodating to the politician's success.
Is it though? Or is it wishful thinking?
Dems are cooked. Nobody is buying the old guard bullshit anymore. Embrace populism or go the way of the Whigs
Maybe, probably. They are going to gamble that they can stay the same because people are/will be so mad about... well everything.
They can prop up a white male moderate with an ounce of charisma, someone that is around 45. People will be refreshed that this candidate speaks in complete sentences and the capacity for empathy -- like a real person.
That's what they want, business as usual sold as a revolutionary idea. Will people buy it? Who knows.. groups of people are pretty dumb.
None of us are as dumb as all of us.
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I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.
Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.
He even had Clinton's endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.
Was there actually an endorsement? All I'm finding is that Bill Clinton congratulated him on the primary victory.
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you said he endorsed Mamdani.
It's indicative of a deep, irreversible rift in the party. Either democrats adapt or they split in half.
Agreed but this is a good start.
For sure, but we’ve seen hope like this go down the drain before. The circumstances here were favorable I think. RCV primary against an unlikable and disgraced opponent in NYC is hardly a death knell for the national corpo Dems
The realistic hope I think is that Cuomo had support from extremely wealthy backers. New York Real Estate and Wall Street, Bloomberg, all backed Cuomo.
The people said no. The money didn't swing it for Cuomo. The name recognition and the money didn't swing it for Cuomo. The dynasties didn't swing it for Cuomo.
Mamdani came in and offered real improvements to people's lives and they gave him their votes.
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I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.
Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.
I'm afraid it's too late though.
It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.
In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.
I wish I was kidding.
Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.
Though I dont endorse accelerationism, when presented with that scenario accelerationism may be the only path forward. You cant keep hobbling for decades, slowly losing and falling further behind. It may be necessary to do what the nation is doing now: losing so that everyone can be reminded of what they had and what they want instead of being blissfully ignorant of both.
The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message
But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat
As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.
And there will be an after
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Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs
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