Arturo Gamboa goes to fetch his AR-15, which he has regularly and legally carried at many Salt Lake City protests in the past.
Some "Peacekeepers" (read: chuds; probably cops, definitely cop-wannabes) saw a gun on a guy, and they start blasting. ~~Gamboa returns fire. Maybe? Reports are conflicted.~~
Gamboa did not return fire. Cops lied to us about it. We know it's lies, because words came out of their mouths.
"Peacekeeper" bullets wound Gamboa, and kill Arthur Folasa Ah Loo.
Gamboa is arrested for murder, for reasons.

[–] dragongloss@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago

That's crazy, thanks for making it easier to understand considering how it was already a confusing situation only made more confusing by all the misinformation and media parroting the police's narratives.

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It seems Gamboa never fired a weapon, he ran as soon as he was shot and tried to blend in with the crowd. I haven't seen or heard anything that implies Gamboa ever shot or aimed his rifle aside from the first reports which were put out by the detectives and 50501, which I don't believe we can't trust.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

this

All the reports say he never fired the AR15. This has cops covering for the "peacekeepers" stank all over it. Long haired brown person with a gun is all they can fixate on to try to cover up their recklessness. The fact that the bystander is actually a minor fashion celeb and non-white will hopefully crack open this bullshit story, but this is in Utah, and it will be a tough blue wall.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Sounds like the DA is figuring it out and thinks that it will be impossible to convict Gamboa, and that they doubt the account of the "Peacekeepers"

If even the DA is saying that, it's likely this is just some rent-a-cop shitheads with an itchy trigger finger trying to get the local cops to cover for them

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

I have updated my summary with new info.

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

okay so the guy with the rifle was not a would-be shooter?

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago

Apparently not, but the cops are charging him with murder because reasons

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

tbf if I saw someone running around with a rifle at any protest these days I'd assume they were there to kill people

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The person shot had been at protests armed before, if security was actually familiar with leftist protesters they wouldn't have been so quick to judge.

Image from bluesky of the armed "potential mass shooter"(from a different protest):

[–] WoodScientist@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would assume they're just there to protect protesters from police. Generally shooting at cops is a bad idea, but having enough armed protesters around does cause cops to be on their best behavior. Remember that protester a few days ago in LA that was being assaulted by police on horseback? That's the kind of situation where someone would have been fully justified to shoot those officers, an act of simple self defense.

It's rare for cops to actually shoot openly armed people. They're only incredibly trigger-happy against unarmed people. Every cop knows that it doesn't matter if the law is on their side. If a cop starts shooting at someone that is themselves heavily armed, there's a good chance that cop isn't going home tonight. Having armed protesters prevents police from taking lives with impunity.

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure, but if I'm in SLC at an unorganized protest (or one that was organized by liberals), my first thought on seeing a rifle isn't "I'm glad the people's vanguard is here protecting us," it's "oh shit, a chud is here to kill the boogeymen he heard about on the internet"

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[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

idiotic. This is an open carry state where dozens of people are armed. He wasn't "running around" and he didn't have his rifle raised either. There's footage of it. He's just walking around with the gun in a resting position when they shoot at him

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (12 children)

idiotic

Yeah, I should assume any armed amerikkkan I see on the street is doing it for my safety

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

if they're dressed up as an anti-fascist marching on your side, then yeah pretty much

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know what to say other than I don't trust fellow yanks with guns who I don't know. I wouldn't have gone wild west on anyone like the "peacekeepers" did but I'm not going to be able to tell at a glance that someone wearing all black is a "good guy"

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 5 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Well I'm sure there were about 500 armed people at that march alone, Utah is open carry. I personally approve of demonstrations of armed force at our protests, although I think it should be more regimented and disciplined than anarchists meandering around with their own guns

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 5 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, I don't doubt there were lots of guns out that day, but I 100% agree with you that if you're going to open carry at a protest like this, do it with an organized group. Not blaming this particular individual for getting shot or getting others shot, but I think the confusion is understandable

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[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Chuds never applied that logic to that fascist cracker that Ill not name

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I have not seen any identification of the "peacekeepers" or the one that actually fired the lethal shots. The fact that the cops are charging the younger open carry person with murder makes me think these peacekeepers are cops or cop adjacent.

E: Video: https://imgur.com/a/z3J25EB

The story does not fit with what the video shows.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

"peace" "keepers" "at" 50501 "rally" "open" "fire" into "crowd" "killing" one and "injuring" two.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who are these “peacekeepers”?

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Event security, I believe

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[–] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago

It's almost like random redditors backed by a non-profit suck at organizing. They don't know who is at their protest. They don't know how many people there are on their side. They don't know who is running security, they probably never considered having organized security. They just let randos show up and stake over marshaling duties.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So some frothing chud tried to do a mass shooting at the protest, protestors shot back, and hit everyone but the chud?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The armed, yellow-vested "peacekeepers" at the Utah 50501 protest in Salt Lake City opened fire into a crowd, hitting two people:

A Sāmoan fashion designer with two young kids, who died.

A second-generation Venezuelan immigrant and antiracist protester who was legally carrying. Cops charged HIM.

Unless I'm not reading this correctly. There was no "frothing chud" who "tried to do a mass shooting". There was an open carry protester, who the "peacekeepers" believed to be a gunman. They engaged him, he fled, they shot at him, hitting him and killing another.

Utah is a permitless carry state. SLC has an open carry ordinance, and protests frequently see AR-15s being carried openly.

This environment makes threat assessment more challenging, which is why having armed "security" volunteers who lack extensive training is an incredibly reckless idea.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ooooh the way it was worded lead me to believe someone was trying to do a mass shooting, wow what a bunch of buffoons.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 12 points 23 hours ago

Yeah that's how the rent-a-cops and 50501 libs are trying to frame it to get out of any responsibility

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought the same thing. Now I'm confused and have no idea who's in the wrong lol.

[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago

The volunteer "peacekeepers" with clearly no training for this situation hold the most blame from what I've seen. According to what I could surmise from reports and photos, they shot at a leftist who was non-threateningly carrying a rifle, in an open carry state where protesters have been openly armed a number of times, before even saying anything to him or warning anyone. He was in all black with a balaclava so I understand why they were afraid, really the blame more falls on whoever let them be "security" for such an event that definitely would have had threats against it from chuds.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 15 points 23 hours ago

Nope. Principled anti-fascist was armed, lib rent-a-cops freaked out and started shooting into a crowd for no reason and are trying to pin it on the protester who never fired a shot

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Kill all chuds and US domestic terrorism ends

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

bit of a "beatings continue until moral improves", isn't it? You don't fix terrorism by fighting terrorists, you fix terrorism by relieving the pressures that push people to terrorism.

[–] OldSoulHippie@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

You could give chuds everything they wanted and they would still be professional grievance mongers for life. We could bring back chattel slavery, keep women pregnant and in the kitchen, get rid of all other genders and hair colors, set the Rio grande on fire with a river of Saudi Arabian gas and make everyone have to wear a flag pin and they would still find something to rally around and cause the rest of us misery

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[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

this was lib on leftist violence caused by itchy trigger fingers. No chuds involved

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

This is uh, not a productive approach to reducing terrorism.

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