Fuck AI

This is the opposite of that 'teach a man to fish and he'll never grow hungry" etc.

I had to google Vibe Coding. Seems like it's not actual coding and you'd then have to check the code yourself and at that point why bother? Easier to start with something that makes sense then the understand and fix a cluster fuck.

Having been a coder for decades before AI came on the scene, I don't understand how inexperienced programmers could possibly write a serious amount of working code with AI.

It's wrong, like, at least half the time, but as an experienced coder, I can look at the "code" it generated and know what it was trying to do, and then write it correctly. I do find AI useful when I'm not sure how to go about solving a particular code-related issue, but ... it just gives me something to think about, not an answer I can use directly.

"you'll own nothing and be happy" applies to skills now.

It's very helpful that there are a handful of nonsense phrases that AI has scraped by reading journal articles wrong. They're commonly published in magazine format with a bunch of narrow columns, so there's some gibberish that AI scraped by reading across the page instead of down the columns. I want to make a database of those nonsense phrases so that I can just Ctrl+F in a journal article to see if I should just skip reading it because it's AI garbage.

As usual, people assign conspiratorial motives and strategies to behavior that's really an extremely simple straight line between two points: "AI software has a lower apparent cost than hiring another developer, so let's use AI."

I've been using chatgpt to help me build a Bubble website. That is, I am doing all the work, I just bounce questions of how to achieve things and structure conditional statements correctly.

Because I'm basically sanity checking everything it says vs copying blindly, it's interesting to see just how much it gets caught in a loop of misinformation. I'm lucky to be one of those learners who just needs an example, even if it's a shitty one, to figure it out myself, so I often find myself using it simply to see how it's NOT done.

But yeah, I know jack shit about coding but I'm sure AI code sucks ass.

If you run your AI, point doesn't matter. However, what matters more is the fact that if you don't use a skill, you just straight up lose it and that's what AI is doing to developers. Mfs straight up forget how to write code

It’s worse than that.

The goal isn’t to sell coding superpowers to programmers. It’s to drive a wedge between employer and employee. Make both of them dependent on an intermediary instead of each other.

Think DoorDash but for coding gigs. You don’t have a job, but a series of push notifications offering a chance to review an 18-line PR for $3.81.

Remember to respond within the next 90 seconds to maintain your priority status, and don’t decline too many offers.

Edit: See also, chickenized reverse-centaurs.

It's the same cycle since the '70s. Whether it's COBOL or VB.NET or vibe coding, the premise hasn't changed.

There's three broad categories of code:

1. Monkey code (random applets that are almost entirely business logic and non-critical)
2. Actual code (most things)
3. Crazy shit like kernel or browser code.

I can see vibe coding, situationally, lower the barrier to entry of (1). But also that's no different from COBOL or VB.NET which both promise "MBAs can now write code", which conveniently never extends to maintaining said code. And vibe coding doesn't help with that either, ChatGPT is an awful debugger.

Your boss thinks ChatGPT will help with (2), but it either won't or only very slightly as an advanced autocomplete. For any problem-solving that requires more specific domain knowledge than can automatically find its way into their tiny context windows, LLMs are essentially useless.

.... So I'm not worried. Today's vibe coders are yesterday's script kiddies.

Really wish they'd be a direct link to the source, not solely a screenshot. Is this the Web?

Here's a fun thing. Using the latest AI to code backend and front-end code. Every couple of weeks, have to stop, go through every line and module, and throw out pretty much 90% of the code, manually refactor, and rewrite it.

It offers a good starting point, but the minute things get slightly complicated, you have to step in. I feel bad for people who think this will make it so they don't need experienced developers and architects. They're in for a rough ride.

On the other side, if it's "deskilling" to do vibe coding instead of real coding isn't this person saying that the barrier to entry for coding has been lowered?

Either vibe coding is not effective and is therefore not taking away the skill of coding or it is effective enough to replace aspects of coding that you would otherwise need to develop the skill to do.

Like if I'm an engineer or a real estate agent or a business...dude, and I want to use coding in my field but I don't have the time or desire to start learning a whole skill (anywhere from having children to just learning too many skills already) I assume vibe coding is my best friend.

I mean it's only a problem depending on the cost of the tools? Renting 4-5k a year worth of tools to make 150k might be ok to some people. While you are at risk of every increasing prices you could just use the time that it's cheap now to when it gets expensive later to educate yourself.

What's the alternative give some college 250k plus crazy interest rates and 4 years of your life?

Just like with all tools blue collar or white they are worth what you can earn from using them.

Shitholes rearing their head thr last 5 6 years made a lot of people forget , America is also a massive shithole

Well if it helps for y'all to know, if I can't put my measly webpage making skills to decent use in the course of a weeks time, I'll be buying the services of a freelancer because hoooooly shite am I rusty.

(I need to update my basic website and am terribly lazy. Maybe making some extra cash would make a kid somewhere happy.)

((Don't message me here though I don't check messages))

Vibe coding is stupid

I have no idea what vibe coding is, can someone ELI5 it to me?

I have tried AI to get some rough C# for my hobby game but even that was unusable.

You can always tell when your on a new bug when you ask about error “exception when calling…” and AI returns your exact implementation of the error back as a solution.

Not really intelligent

It's exactly the opposite of teaching a man to fish, this is telling that man to depend on whatever floats down the river and just pick whatever seems edible, if the man gets enough or poisons himself nobody will know, because the skill to fish would have been lost.

Like people who only had a smartphone for everything, they'll never know the advantages of an actual computer and will struggle with it when they need to use one.

I'll go against the grain here: I'm not worried. If you actually care about what you do, even vibe coding can teach you something, it could be a starting point. The internet is not going away, and just looking up this or that thing the AI spit out will help you learn what you're working with.

Is it the same as an uni CS course? No of course, but how many of us got our start just tinkering with stuff we didn't understand?