Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
American chuds are only like this because of the unique treat import-based economy and geopolitical hegemony which the US has been flailing around to keep. Lose that base and you'll see a formation of a wide proletariat similar to other pre-socialist nations.
Isn't exiling all the citizens of the former imperial power exactly how attack on Titan starts? Lmao
I think the average Trump supporter is reachable—and if you have the resources of a government, as you seem to be imagining, I think they are reachable at scale. This is the 21st century, at this point the experts know how to influence people. Generations of marketers, academics, and psyops specialists have studied this problem. The knowledge is out there. If the CIA can spin up a color revolution, we can reeducate chuds.
But this all assumes a peacetime scenario where a communist government presides over a large population of chuds lol. Idk if that would happen in real life. Others can weigh in, I have no idea.
baudrillard moment, theyre living in a fundamentally different constructed reality that has no relation to the real. its not about intelligence, its about subcultural narrative and the willful acceptance of a simulated reality that appeals to them on a fundamental level. their identity has been reconstructed around consumption of particular strains of media that appeal to their fantasy. They choose deliberately to re-enter the fascist Matrix where reality and imagination have lost any boundary, and if I had to guess I'd point to that as the main reason they love AI slop. stupidity is the wrong word, but burgerbrained is right. The burger, fries, the Amerikkkan flag have all become fetishes not to a superstitious religious population, but to a population that has embraced religious superstition and anti-intellectualism on the grounds of consumptive identity.
e: also I think they could be re-educated, I dont think its impossible
stupidity is the wrong word, but burgerbrained is right. The burger, fries, the Amerikkkan flag have all become fetishes not to a superstitious religious population, but to a population that has embraced religious superstition and anti-intellectualism on the grounds of consumptive identity.
One must never forget, burger communion is ruinous
its not about intelligence, its about subcultural narrative and the willful acceptance of a simulated reality that appeals to them on a fundamental level. their identity has been reconstructed around consumption of particular strains of media that appeal to their fantasy
I keep trying to tell libs this when they keep bringing up how "stupid" maga people are and how the "education system has failed."
Very clearly, they have an ideological commitment to something they feel benefits them.
By removing the source of the superbasis genesis, many of the more beging and salvageable chuds will cease clinging to such behaviors.
You can re-educate but the process for doing so isn't teaching them marx, it's making them hate the constructed consumptive identity.
You may be able to teach them marx later. But eliminating the constructed reality and inoculating them to falling back into it is a prerequisite beforehand.
Yeah. I misread the title as
I genuinely think American CHUDs are too stupid for
self-reflection
and clicked through with the intention of writing a whole thing about how its not a matter of intelligence, but that there's just not much public examples of self-reflection in society. It's a behavior you learn from seeing peers and parents do, and we're (at least) several generations into a negative feedback loop.
I like your username (and you, I think).
tried nothing but all out of ideas?
Idk, seems like the left has been trying shit in the US for decades and none of it ever sticks
The American left aka a very niche portion of the american left just has divorced themselves from the democratic party - there was barely any trying.
The largest movements of the left were BLM and occupy and they ended up being sucked out and assimilated into the state apparatus.
the left has been trying shit in the US for decades
lol
What left are you talking about
The one that remains tiny and marginalized because nothing they try ever works because the American people are just reactionary as fuck
Meh, they're mostly echoing whatever views have been pumped into their heads by conservative talk radio, fox news, AI meme facebook, et all. A few years of some Joe Rogan esque jock telling them how cool it is to eat seitan and they'll all be vegans.
It'd be nice if they all became luminaries of proletarian thought or whatever (and a handful probably will), but that's not actually necessary. Don't let anyone rebuild the capitalist propaganda machine, and the threat is neutered. Invest in better education for future generations.
State mandated podcasting but we use a bunch Bill Burr type guys
Gonna be honest I have to agree as an amerikkkan.
I have interacted with some of the most racist, terrible, and straight up malicious people.
Even if you manage to convince a racist old coot coworker of yours that they're wrong, the next day they'll have the same conversation with you.
They don't want to know the truth, they just want to be mad.
They don't want to know the truth, they just want to be mad.
They want to be superior. A lot of these people are straight whites who have grown up all their lives being taught that they are better than others, that they are owed the luxuries of life, that full control is their birthright. We already know that all of society just accepts that their luxuries come at the expense of severe exploitation of others, and we accept it. That's fine. After all, some people are simply lesser than us, right?
The chuds take it a step further. They want everyone under their thumb, there are scores of people lesser than them. They are uniquely qualified, everyone else is a DEI hire. It's their country, they should get to dictate who can enter it, who can stay, and who will be violently and cruelly ejected from it. It's their culture, and anyone who doesn't look like them, doesn't think like them, doesn't like to fuck who they like to fuck, is lesser.
Straight whites have grown up with this entitlement, some of them became famous and started saying it louder, but they're only saying the things that straight whites want to hear and have been conditioned from birth to believe are true. I struggle to trust any whites because I often see that belief leak out in the way they behave in their everyday lives. It's not about being mad, it's about being above.
If China could reform Puyi, working class chuds can be too. It may take time, and more effort than most want to spend, but it can be done. The hyper wealthy on the other hand…
Beyond even Puyi. I read an account (which I'm trying to source again fucking internet no longer working) from an Japanese soldier who had unashamedly admitted to various war crimes, the communists housed him and his fellow soldiers in clean and comfortable, if spartan and small accommodation, they fed them despite post WW2 shortages and at one point they even gave him limited penicillin for an abscess in his spine.
There was no torture, they just had group discussion or wrote essays about their war crimes. Sometimes survivors of massacres they participated in were brought to them to talk about their experience. The worst punishment he received was early on when they thought he was flippant about his war crimes, they made him spend a night in the cell that prisoners awaiting execution by the Japanese would use, on the walls were signed names and last testaments, often written in blood and there was basically no space.
They did this for months and years, until he and all his fellow soldiers knew to their core what they had done was wrong. They did bring in other political teachers to try and educate them about communism and he was like "buddy I don't care about economics". But eventually after a few years they just sent them all back to Japan. Guys who by all rights should have been hanged at the Hague. And nearly all of them because staunch anti-Japanese imperialism/militarism activists until the day they died.
And I'm not religious anymore but that struck me as one of the most selfless and moral responses to pure evil. While also so pragmatic they made their worse enemy into their weapon. And I think if they could do it with them, an American Treatlerite could be fixed.
Because it destroys their ideology framework. They spared them not because they “were better than that” or because the soldiers “deserved it” but because in the minds of the japanese fascist any violence was justified and will be justified because the enemies are violent brutes who will mercilessly destroy and brutalize the Japanese.
Please find the source. I’d love to read that in detail
The location was here and some of my details are corroborated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fushun_War_Criminals_Management_Centre
I'm trying to find it because it was very interesting and moving but searching for "china" "prison" "war crimes" obviously gets you different western propaganda stuff.
Edit: this is a really good article and talks about the anti war organisation
I think now I might have read the account in a physical book so I'll think about where it might have been.
From the article
The following is one such example which illustrates how difficult the Fushun project was for the Chinese people to carry out. A young prison guard was shocked when he discovered that a Japanese detainee who had killed his father was among those he was in charge of. After weeks of agony, he told the prison director that he wanted to be transferred. The director said: ‘I know perfectly how you feel… But if you give up on these detainees now and walk out, they will pick up guns and invade China again. This means that there will be many more deaths like your father’s. We must stop these Japanese men from becoming aggressors again. Don’t you think that this is what your father wants most in heaven as well as how you can fulfil your duty as a good son?’ The director’s words made this prison guard realise how important the task of re-educating the Japanese prisoners was for the future of China. Not only did he continue to work at the prison but also worked even harder. One day, his “enemy” suffered an acute appendicitis attack in the middle of the night. The guard carried the sick man on his back to the medical room to save his life
What a wonderful addition, thanks for sharing. I am with you.
I think it's disputed that Mao actually said
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy
Like the Lenin weeks-decades thing. But I always think that quote is wrong. Communism is love. From Che Guevara
At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality
And boy is that love a hammer we use to crush the enemy.
From the meeting between both in 1960
Guevara: A point in Chairman Mao’s works is found by Fidel [Castro] to be very important, which I failed to notice at the beginning. That is to treat war prisoners generously: to cure their wounds and send them back. [We] realized this point which helped very much [in our struggle].
Mao: This is the way to disintegrate enemy troops.
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemyLike the Lenin weeks-decades thing. But I always think that quote is wrong. Communism is love. From Che Guevara
At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this qualityAnd boy is that love a hammer we use to crush the enemy
This is dialectics
This is dialectics
It was not lost on me 
We're talking about people whose minds are not up to the task of reconciling "Earth's average temperature is increasing" with "it's a bit chilly today"
That sounds like they're lacking basic education. At the end of the day they're people,nand in some fantasy scenario where communists take power, the idea that a special class of people is naturally dumber and deserving of lesser treatment is just barbarism by another name. We've tried this already.
That sounds like they're lacking basic education
These are literate people who grew up in a society with (albeit shitty for a developed country) public education and internet access. They're horses surrounded by oceans of drinkable water but refuse to take a single gulp.
I feel like I shouldn't have to explain how material conditions can affect the development of people on chapo dot chat.
Calling an entire class of people irredeemably stupid by nature is reactionary. If people are capable of and refusing to learn, there is a systemic reason why. Either that or you are misunderstanding the issue.
i do sometimes really agree with the idea behind “horses surrounded by oceans of drinkable water”. but the sheer number of kids i have seen turn from belligerent to enthusiastic about education because they were moved closer to the board or given glasses is unreal.
it’s worth noting that the median USAmerican reads at a 6th grade level. what that means is they can read a page of info, and then tell you what the words on the page mean and report back on the basic content of the page. abstract or critical thinking problems are beyond them. half of people are worse off. it is more accurate to say that most people in our pig country will need education, not re-education.
even for young people, from the 1990s to the early 2010s, most school districts required reading to be taught incorrectly. an unfortunately mistaken psychologist thought that guessing at words from the first letters and the picture should be taught instead of phonics. the above is essentially the strategy of certain “middle readers”, and the idea was that the “good” cohort would sort themselves out, and teaching a different strategy to the “bad” cohort would help them. what happened is that the “good” cohort does figure some things out, and the other two don’t learn how to read.
holding a kid back a grade was also basically banned by no child left behind, so you’d just advance fourteen year olds reading at a second grade level
Ones mind being up to the task for anything is made difficult when you live in a culture based around exploiting you, gaslighting you, and withholding from you. The chuds know things are wrong, they just have had decades of being told that they’re seeing things, or alternatively that they’re right, but it’s the minorities whose fault it is.
I think it's also worth distinguishing disengaged/ignorant chuds from like, baying CHUDS who will triple down on everything because they just want to hurt people. I definitely know people I can't talk to about anything political because there's literally no point, they aren't attached to any political ideal or position beyond fucking with people they hate.
I think even the hyper wealthy could be reformed on a long enough time scale. I think time is the fundamental issue with re-education. Some chuds are going to take decades to destroy all of their brainworms. Then, it will take even longer to actually educate them.
A cultural revolution in the US is going to be a massive undertaking. You would likely have to use the newly-empty prisons and then some to house all of the chuds. It will be hours per day of classes to get them back to a baseline understanding of how the world actually works. Especially getting them to understand that no, human nature isn't to take everything for yourself and kill anyone else.
And a lot of them will deserve execution. But we don't do executions as punishment. We do them out of necessity when there's too many people to try and change or who are too dangerous to be left alive.
Affluenza seems less serious than whatever brainworms Facebook conservative groups give you.
A lot of the irredeemables are that way because of the market driven education standards. Kids don't learn philosophy and art have meaning and value, and it has become so alien to them that they stop asking the right questions. I had one of my better students ask me, for another class assignment, what I thought the minimum wage should be. The idea of selling their labor is already ingrained in their world view, and my kids aren't even in high school yet.
Reagan's advisor Roger Freeman is the reason student loans exist basically.
His reasoning is that an "educated proletariat" would be dangerous.
damn, did he ever articulate it that way? that would make for some good quotes
They literally said that. Someone posted a photo of the text sometime ago but I can't find it.
lmao, found it, holy shit
“We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat,” announced Reagan advisor Roger A. Freeman during a press conference on Oct. 29, 1970. Freeman, an economics professor at Stanford, was also an advisor to President Richard Nixon. “We have to be selective on who we allow to go through [higher education],” Freeman added.
From this article https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/threat-of-educated-proletariat-created-the-student-debt-crisis/
they dont need re-education, theyre barely educated to start with. The CHUDs, the hooting and hollering republicans really arnt worth saving, not that it couldnt be done.
We would have to delete the internet. It's like COVID where it's had its own mutations that overrides any antibody or vaccine
I don't disagree though I'd add for a large chunk it's a religious dogma. It's part of a religious dogma, it's part of their very perceived essence as a member of their chosen community (reactionaries) so you're not just threatening them, you're demanding they change their identity and lose all their friendships and church group, and so on.
Speaking of dogma, dogmatic types speak of Chinese re-education of an emperor, totally different conditions, totally different. Marxism-Leninism is about adaptation. He'd already lost everything, long been a puppet anyways of other powers and had no group he risked being excluded from by reforming nor any sizeable group of people likely to follow him nor much in the way of a sense of himself as he was a spoiled brat used to servants and others dealing with the mundane for him and was weak without that structure. Nor did it threaten any religious beliefs on his part. Nor did he rule under or have the deep brainworms of sustained settler-capitalism that exist in the US and in the minds of the reactionaries here. What civic religion did Puyi have that they communists had to undo? Nothing but primitive notions that he was divine to rule, easily disabused stuff like that. The US indoctrination and propaganda is much, much, much stronger and more refined and intertwined with other beliefs and brainworms. The Chinese communists could appeal to a sense of Chinese pride and nationalism, what can Americans do hmm? The identity of the nation for these people is a white-supremacist, settler-colonial-capitalist one based on heavy amounts of atomization and the myth of the frontier and the castle doctrine as their mythos.
The hands of a successful revolution will be full enough re-educating the massive amounts of more reformable types. The order of the day should be to terrorize these into submission. Cut the grass blades that grow taller than the others. But do not waste the stretched and limited resources of the post-revolutionary state unnecessary. Triaging is necessary. Resources are limited. None more-so than the educated, dedicated, ideologically disciplined cadres necessary to oversee re-education who are also those most needed for minding and running the new state and guarding against careerists, the ideologically weak, and those who are corrupt enemies of the people. If you don't use those you use common jailers who start committing abuses and release large numbers of people who underwent no real re-education who go on to foment terrorism and counter-revolution.
I think we need to just dump them on an island somewhere and put them under continuous naval blockade and internet blackout till they revert to a Hunter gather society.
And when they have sex and produce children they raise in these brainworms (and abuse as I guarantee this society becomes very pedophilic to say nothing of other forms of child abuse common to reactionaries) you're just okay with human life being brought into that? Do you organize raids that suffer regular casualties to retrieve the children they produce and acknowledge some will be successfully hidden anyways?
And when they have sex and produce children they raise in these brainworms (and abuse as I guarantee this society becomes very pedophilic to say nothing of other forms of child abuse common to reactionaries) you're just okay with human life being brought into that? Do you organize raids that suffer regular casualties to retrieve the children they produce and acknowledge some will be successfully hidden anyways?
That proposal was made somewhat tongue in cheek, but I'm curious what you would propose then? Just mass execution?
We need to put them all in that New Hampshire town that got terrorized by bears
My take is more that they could be re-educated, but that the gulags will be full. Some of them are going to have to go into a deep hole in the ground.