this post was submitted on 02 May 2025
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We're talking about people whose minds are not up to the task of reconciling "Earth's average temperature is increasing" with "it's a bit chilly today"
That sounds like they're lacking basic education. At the end of the day they're people,nand in some fantasy scenario where communists take power, the idea that a special class of people is naturally dumber and deserving of lesser treatment is just barbarism by another name. We've tried this already.
These are literate people who grew up in a society with (albeit shitty for a developed country) public education and internet access. They're horses surrounded by oceans of drinkable water but refuse to take a single gulp.
I feel like I shouldn't have to explain how material conditions can affect the development of people on chapo dot chat.
Calling an entire class of people irredeemably stupid by nature is reactionary. If people are capable of and refusing to learn, there is a systemic reason why. Either that or you are misunderstanding the issue.
i do sometimes really agree with the idea behind “horses surrounded by oceans of drinkable water”. but the sheer number of kids i have seen turn from belligerent to enthusiastic about education because they were moved closer to the board or given glasses is unreal.
it’s worth noting that the median USAmerican reads at a 6th grade level. what that means is they can read a page of info, and then tell you what the words on the page mean and report back on the basic content of the page. abstract or critical thinking problems are beyond them. half of people are worse off. it is more accurate to say that most people in our pig country will need education, not re-education.
even for young people, from the 1990s to the early 2010s, most school districts required reading to be taught incorrectly. an unfortunately mistaken psychologist thought that guessing at words from the first letters and the picture should be taught instead of phonics. the above is essentially the strategy of certain “middle readers”, and the idea was that the “good” cohort would sort themselves out, and teaching a different strategy to the “bad” cohort would help them. what happened is that the “good” cohort does figure some things out, and the other two don’t learn how to read.
holding a kid back a grade was also basically banned by no child left behind, so you’d just advance fourteen year olds reading at a second grade level
Ones mind being up to the task for anything is made difficult when you live in a culture based around exploiting you, gaslighting you, and withholding from you. The chuds know things are wrong, they just have had decades of being told that they’re seeing things, or alternatively that they’re right, but it’s the minorities whose fault it is.
I think it's also worth distinguishing disengaged/ignorant chuds from like, baying CHUDS who will triple down on everything because they just want to hurt people. I definitely know people I can't talk to about anything political because there's literally no point, they aren't attached to any political ideal or position beyond fucking with people they hate.