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With surveys reporting that an increasing number of young men are subscribing to these beliefs, the number of women finding that their partners share the misogynistic views espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate is also on the rise. Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

“Numbers are growing, with wives worried about their husbands and partners becoming radicalised,” says Nigel Bromage, a reformed neo-Nazi who is now the director of Exit Hate Trust, a charity that helps people who want to leave the far right.

“Wives or partners become really worried about the impact on their family, especially those with young children, as they fear they will be influenced by extremism and racism.”

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[–] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

Just use a manometer.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the old days when you disappeared into a cult, you physically went to live with them and everything.

These days it’s “cult to go.” Good luck intervening and cutting off their link to the cult when the cult is speaking to them from their pocket.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 8 points 3 days ago

I miss those days, they'd go be weird on their own and not drag the rest of us into this crap

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Toxic masculinity, feeding itself, empowered by the forces of capital who desires culture war above class war.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

God damit this sentence makes me want to blow my brains out. It's too fucking thick in bullshit. You ever notice how the right will just call someone a pedo or gang member and that really works. It's not like they go " he's just socioeconomic poverty based victim of modern prison system" like just get to that point. Andrew is a grown man who targets children.

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I love just saying "toxic masculinity" anywhere online, even if you're deep in the bowels of Lemmy, you will get a few reactionary turds who just see the term and lose all cognitive ability to think and mash the downvote button between heated breaths and tears streaming down their faces.

edit: and it continues, very predictable. Seriously guys, just be honest if the term makes you feel shit, you will find truth by pursuing those feelings and the questions around them, literally you will figure out why you're actually unhappy. Don't pull back, push through. Yes, I am provoking, and if it's provocation that has an effect on you, that's a HUGE sign that you can figure out a big truth about yourself and the world if you spend like, 30 minutes in uncomfortable silence asking yourself "why" about things and being painfully honest in your replies until you hit bedrock.

[–] TheFudd@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (7 children)

^ This reply shows me you don't understand what men like Andrew Tate are selling. He's selling validation to these boys and men, and you're providing a perfect marketplace for that product to sell like hot cakes.

When you reply like that to these people, the mental picture of grown men having hissy fits and "mashing downvote buttons with tears in their eyes" might feel good in the moment, but those men and boys aren't actually reacting like that. Instead, the message they get is they were right the whole time, that people like you really do just hate men and masculinity, and that people like Andrew Tate are the ones "on their side".

I get that it feels good to trigger people you don't like, but all you're doing is making Andrew Tate's job easier. Don't you think he's already making enough money as it is?

[–] Welt@lazysoci.al 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Well said. Looking down on impressionable men with this sort of smug contempt is how we go further down the path.

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Its the Boisphere. No men are involved.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago

Isn't tate already old news for the manosphere?

[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Im in a bubble where these guys are like the most laughable parody of themselves so maybe I'm biased but... I mean nobody is taking this kind of stuff serious right? I mean cool, free speech and such but dumb behavior had consequences, right?

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People absolutely take this stuff seriously. The problem is the most bone headed guys are the ones likely to fall for this stuff. Once they're sucked in it's hard to convince them otherwise.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

[–] Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, I’m studying to be a teacher and have had several internships during my education.

Young teen boys, 12-15, are into it. They aren’t a majority, but they exist. One of the students came to me and asked if I knew what the matrix was. He was really into redpill shit! Had many conversations with him and hope he hasn’t gone deeper.

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[–] rimu@piefed.social 205 points 5 days ago (29 children)

"Do you regularly watch videos by Jordan Peterson?" kinda needs to become one of those before-first-date screening questions.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Just based on what I see women doing around me all the time, there were probably some warning signs. Looking for a dude that's "traditional" or whatever is asking for a dude that's going to see you like a form of livestock. It's partly a politics thing, but largely an assholes thing.

41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

WTF those are both shockingly high.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I support Tate...

...Being locked in prison for the rest of his life.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

If you just translate the figures to "41% of young men, 12% of young women are stupid assholes", they make a bit more sense.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

There are many different ways to be a stupid asshole, and you can even do it while at the exact opposite end of the political spectrum.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

there was plenty of warning signs for Years, even before the pandemic. if you look at how pickup artist operate, and then go on youtube. Tate isnt even a new phenemon, hes a culmination of the above problems. hes just the latest symptom, as was JOE ROGAN.

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 153 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

12% of young women support Tate? That's way higher than what I expected :( I can't understand why would any woman support someone who makes a fortune out of exploiting and abusing women openly

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 155 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Tradwife content is on the rise for women as well, more and more young people are buying into this mythical simpler past as the world gets more complex, alienating and difficult.

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 100 points 5 days ago (35 children)

Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.

And when it happens, we talk about it. I don’t pretend or let it go as “he doesn’t mean it” or “he doesn’t know what he’s saying”. I don’t get mad and he doesn’t get mad. We have an adult discussion and I’m careful not to talk down to him.

A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.

It doesn’t have to be a big deal! Communication is key!

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

To answer the headline: divorce, I hope.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Divorce is in many case the trigger. The MGTOW-community was/is a lot of divorced men who feel mistreated by society, and blame women for it.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I remember being excited and thinking maybe I had found my people when I first heard about MGTOW thinking it would be dudes who realized maybe dating wasn't for them and instead were just focusing on improving themselves. Then I looked at their subreddit and no, just a shitton of misogyny.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Yeah, on paper I'm a mgtow. After about 2 seconds I was like "wait, these people are losers." Turns out I'm a relationship anarchist.

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That’s the worst part of MGTOW. It’s a nice premise, and then they just dumped toxic waste on it.

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[–] carbonari_sandwich@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

When economic independence is rare, divorce is rare.

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[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 107 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Spoilers: there were signs

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

When I date people, I don't allow myself to go forward without completing a mutual background check. I ask questions and talk about politics, tell about situations I've encountered and listen attentively.

I want to know about the other person's world views, decision-making and problem-solving methods - and to inform them about my own. I want to know how they tell apart truth from a lie, what they think about state and centralization, wealth and poverty, science and religion, civil rights and minorities - and to inform them about what I think, so they could make informed decisions.

Ironically, I don't wish to know what party they vote for - because the selection is shitty and I laugh about my own past choices. :)

Recalling situations where world views mismatched - I've had to part ways with one person because she was too spiritual. Two people subscribed to odd conspiracy theories. One person's goals in life warned me about excessive self-interest and lack of care about others.

P.S.

Trying to switch perspective and step into the shoes of a woman, I think it can be a warning sign if the other person gives excessive gifts or feels "obligated to take care" - one should inquire about the reason. I would also be wary of people who eagerly accept me as the new centerpoint of their life - it might indicate an obsessive tendency and severe symptoms if the relation should break. If the other person exhibited jealousy about friends or controlling behaviour, that would be a definite warning sign to me.

P.P.S.

As for social media, yes, it can corrupt people's perception of reality. How to pull them out of the bog, no idea. As for how to avoid them getting there: no algorithmically steered social media.

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[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 69 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It's surprising to me that married people are falling for this shit. I thought it was just incels desperate for anything that might give them a chance or an excuse.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 63 points 5 days ago (1 children)

it isn't about being single, its about the modern hell world instilling extreme helplessness in vulnerable people, and they seek any answers whatsoever. the manosphere happily provides 'answers' in exchange for money

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 49 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It has also seeped into every aspect of male culture. You want to watch a YouTube show about cars? Sure. The first couple episodes are normal and then they start sliding in dumb shit.

You listen to a podcast about working out? Same thing goes. It’s little stuff here and there. Sometimes it starts as a reoccurring joke, but it keeps happening until they actually believe.

I also find there are a lot of young people who aren’t comfortable on computers and basically believe whatever they see on the internet, much like an older generation.

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[–] HappinessPill@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The article illustrate the Hypergamy concept. The men in that case might feel inadequacy after leaving the traditional role of breadwinner, which caused cognitive dissonance in his leftist views and make him vulnerable to the propaganda.

[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (6 children)

witch caused cognitive dissonance

Ahhh it was the witches all along

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[–] suburban_hillbilly@lemmy.ml 72 points 5 days ago (9 children)

You want a trad wife? Get your sorry ass to work buying her cars, clothes, houses, furnishings so she can focus on making your home. Kids in private school, high class vacations, all of it.

Provider is a title that is earned and I doubt even a thousandth of these blowholes are up to the task of being a trad husband.

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[–] Ickabod@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Get a new partner.. they're gone

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 36 points 5 days ago

You leave them.

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