Nah, just criminalize irrigation for golf courses, if you want a golf course, you gotta work with what will grow natively.
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Sand. Play on sand.
Played with a friend on a sandy area with some trees, it was great fun and requires no maintenance.
I am not a golfer, we used a mini golf club and golf balls i found near actual golf clubs.
The healthy/sane version of the thing.
yeah. So many places that actively care for the surrounding environment. And it gets people into nature.
People need to stop associating the sport with water guzzling rich people sport. It's part of it, and those courses should absolutely die, but it's far from the only type of golf course out there
minigolf is fine tho. this one can stay.
Ever done indoor minigolf? Its even better, and it comes in Glow in the Dark mode! All the fun of minigolf, in an air conditioned environment!
Black light mini golf ftw
tbh i dont care about golf as long as it doesnt destroy natural resources for no reason other than privileged entertainment. minigolf fixes that. so does video game golf or vr golf, those are a ok
tbh i dont care about golf as long as it doesnt destroy natural resources for no reason other than privileged entertainment
Then you always care about golf. Huge impeccably groomed and frequently watered lawns with shitloads of pesticides and herbicides are inherently disastrous to fresh water supplies, biodiversity, and other aspects of nature.
Minigolf doesn't involve lawns
True. Minigolf isn't golf, though. It's infinitely better.
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Golf: Destroying large swaths of land so a few guys can hit a little white ball around more easily.
this is a metaphor for capitalism
I've always liked "golf and all the problems that come with it only exists because cishet men are scared to ask each other if they want to go for a walk".
You ever notice there's zero birds or wildlife in these places?
It's all the pesticides and herbicides.
There was even an article a while back that living next to a golf course had a really high correlation with developing neurological diseases.
Though I read that study was skewed by the average age of people that can afford to live near a golf course. They didn't compare like for like in terms of health (as I recall anyway, open to correction!)
WTF todayi learned
I think this is the study. They recon that 3 miles is too close and that they have corrected for age etc.
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criminalize owning billions and treat the desire to own billions as a mental disease
i dont disagree with the first part, but u know that having a mental disease isnt a wrong thing right? like good people can have mental issues? this isnt a mental disease, its desire to be evil. i dont like that socially mental disease can be 1:1 with being immoral or evil
Wanting to own billions isn't necessarily evil. I'd say it's actually pretty common to want to be a billionaire in our society; the desire to gain wealth is core to capitalism. They may not understand the consequences of it or be able to conceptualize of the people they'd hurt.
Hypothetically, if we treated it as an illness (or rather a symptom) we could shift societal norms and rehabilitate people who express signs of trying to hoard wealth.
I think there is still a mental disease aspect. Sociopathic or extremely narcissistic people can also seem evil, but at the end of the day they are still mental diseases. I would even go as far as to say that anyone who wants to be a billionaire is probably a mixture of sociopathy, narcissism and has some sort of addiction (ps: not an expert basing this only on common sense).
I could perhaps say wanting to own billions is a symptom of multiple mental diseases.
I would have criminalized “owning residences you don't live in”.
I own one my mom lives in.. Not everything is that simple.
Making an exception for family members isn't that hard, either, though. And even if we did do it like this, it would probably end up being a net positive for society - maybe people's moms could actually afford owning houses if no one owned more than one house.
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Tax vacant housing in a increasing amount per residence past 2 properties. Vancant to be defined by being unoccupied for 3-6 months of the year.
Tax could be based on market rent for the sqft of the unit price in the area or property tax. Make it a bracket system that steps up per residence.
Tax would go towards building affordable housing and resources/programs for the homeless.
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I have such a hard time identifying with people's hatred for golf and I'd really like to understand more. For context I played golf in highschool, so I got to use the course for free since I was a member of the team. For clubs I used either inherited clubs or ones I found in the dumpster. I've still got those clubs and I can still hit in the direction I want the ball to go.
I live in a very rural mountainous region that gets plenty of rain and has some of the strictest environmental guidelines in the US. The closest golf course to me costs $17 to play all 9 holes.
What I get is that there are some regions that could not support a golf course naturally and where space is at a premium and could probably be used better (like as another fucking parking lot or something, zoning laws are stupid sometimes). I also get that these courses can over fertilize and run off heavy metals into the watershed. Or waste precious water.
What I also get is that golf is not a fun sport to learn. It is not fun until you start making good swings. But once you do it feels as good to me as snowboarding or mountain biking. You also usually golf with friends (drinking can be a big part too), and doing stuff with friends is fun.
It seems to me that most hatred for golf comes because of capitalism and not because of golf. It's associated with the capitalist class, buying new equipment is expensive (nothing like hockey though, serious WTF), and capitalists are irresponsible with land.
It seems to me that most hatred for golf comes because of capitalism and not because of golf.
I think you’re right, and you summed up my thoughts about the first 80% of your comment better than I was going to, lol.
I’d say the hatred for golf has a lot in common with the dislike behind the fuckcars communities. It’s not that people hate the experience of a clean hit in golf or a brisk drive down twisty country roads. It’s the resources that go into supporting them which by definition do not go into supporting more efficient/healthy/equitable choices. And yes there is probably a secondary effect tied to certain target audiences who value exclusivity and are generally the worst.
Yes but also it takes up so much room for so few people to exclusively enjoy. I'm not sure that $17 and dumpster diving for clubs can be considered typical for your average golf Enjoyer, though I know there are more and less expensive ways to do everything. They're also often plopped in urban areas forcing you to walk all the way around to get to the other side (don't you dare walk in the special sport field)((and God help me if you touch my special sport grass)).
Speaking of the grass it's wildly bad for the planet. The runoff, as you mentioned, is part of it, but the water consumption from having a nice green in the summer in the warm places people like to stand on a grass field, and the gas from the daily lawn mowing is also a factor. (grass and associated pest/weed killers are also a nightmare from an ecological perspective)
It's also not a particularly fun sport for many people. I appreciate some people like it, but surely a nice park and a beer is something that can be done a little more fun with far fewer negative externalities.
In all honesty, I have a really hard time understanding the opposite view. Why someone would go stand in a fenced in hot field, grass, gas, and fertilizer odors on the breeze, and spend the whole day just smacking a plastic ball around instead of going for a jog in a park, or swim/float in a lake/river, or go on a hike, or play soccer. Add on top of that the knowledge that what you're doing is participating in a harmful activity, as discussed above, and I just don't see how the fun can possibly outweigh all that. My gut reaction is that to play golf you either have to be purposefully or accidentally ignorant, however incorrect that may be.
Capitalism may play a part in making the sport suck, but you can't play golf without a big field of the largest cultivated crop in the US near where people live, and that's all it takes for me to dislike it.
"Whats wrong with golf?" i shout as i stand, my striped collared sport polo fluttering, my full golf bag clinking with expensive clubs
Don't forget the cabby and the 3 aides to ensure you look fabulous on every swing
Don’t forget the cabby
Caddy, unless you bring your taxi driver with you out onto the course. Which would be silly, golf carts are so fun to drive!
Only extra rich persons could've created such an unsustainable and boring sport. I can't see it as anything else but a networking context for the elite class. I mean, compare it to proletariat's bowling, but instead of staying on the lane with everyone else (and many people from the other lanes), you can travel alone or in a small company of co-players, naturally isolated to talk about business stuff sub-rosa.
Gameplay-wise and comparing it to bowling once again, it is that random - by terrain types, weather - it lets people playing it save face while failing at it. Unlike different kinds of balls you can instinctively take for your liking by just weight, the set of clubs is not intuitively obvious and 90% of players don't know what to do with them all. While golf is akin to an archery contest slowed down to a slog with, basically, one metric - how many turns it took to complete the course, bowling has 10 pins and a variety of outcomes with two tries each turn all going into the final result.
Darts has deeper mechanics and is more fun. Snooker is too about taking balls into a hole but you compete with other person directly. And that's a problem with these people: they don't need a skill-based sport-like game, they want a background activity that lets them socialize with select persons while having a premium rich-person experience, with restaurant\resort service, expensive clubs, golf carts and young boys carrying\driving it all for you to hit a ball once in a while.
It should die off with many of it's avid 'players'.
I used to play golf on my phone. Would you mind excusing digital ones?
yes!
Metro Man is such a great parody of everything that's ridiculous about superheroes 😁❤️
My country's elite does hunting for a sport and some of the most harmful versions of hunting at that. I would much rather see them golf.
i get the sentiment, but i dont think "there are worse things" is useful, they shouldnt be doing golf or harmful versions of hunting
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Probably fair as golfers seem to spend inordinate amounts of time wandering around golf courses.
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