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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Satya Nadella has given an evasive answer there and both Zuckerberg and the journalists have been taken in.

It is common in programming languages that have a lot of boilerplate to use code generation, where you take some information about data and generate code automatically, like code that translates data between formats (for example reading and writing xml for saving to disk or json to send over the network). Being very routine to write and easy to deduce logically from other information, this process has been automated for years and years, long before AI existed.

Microsoft's flagship software such as operating systems, office software, is unbelievably vast and complex, far beyond the complexity of most business software, and has been developed over decades. They absolutely have not replaced 30% of their code since the very recent advent of useful AI. I can believe that 30% of it is automatically generated, but not by AI.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Wonder how much of Windows 10 was written by Stack Exchange?

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago

"30% of my pants is pooped"

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Stole it as if I wrote it

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.

But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Its a shit article with Tech crunch changing the words to get people in a flap about AI (for or against), the actual quote is

"I'd say maybe 20 percent, 30 percent of the code that is inside of our repos today and some of our projects are probably all written by software"

"Written by software" reasonably included machine refactored code, automatically generated boilerplate and things generated by AI assistants. Through that lens 20% doesnt seem crazy.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 9 points 1 day ago

My first thought on reading that is: yeah, like about 98% of the human genome is "junk DNA" that we have little or no idea what it might be doing. Sometimes when we cut it out, nobody ever notices, sometimes when we cut it out the system won't boot up.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they entered the entire codebase for Windows 11 into an LLM and asked it to optimize it or some shit lol

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And surprise surprise, it's worse than ever

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

And its all Teams.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows is 95 percent pure bloat now imo, an os just needs to handle my hardware and launch my programs anything else is just eating my resources.

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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this why they haven't said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don't know.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] JSens1998@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Basically, there was a security flaw with Microsoft's Internet Information Services (web server software) that could be exploited by an attacker to gain access to files and folders they shouldn't be able to (permission escalation?). Well, instead of providing an actual fix to the problem as a whole, they applied a bandaid fix by creating a new folder named "inetpub" on peoples system drive, and apparently the presence of the folder is able to prevent the exploit from working. People noticed the folder and deleted it because they thought it was being created by an attacker, so Microsoft had to tell people not to delete it.

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Wow, so my decision to switch my machines over to Linux by win10 EOL really isn't overkill.

[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.

All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months. By the way does your mouse lag when the update notification comes up?

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[–] ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

I don't remember in my 2 decades of working my work machine causing me to lose work due to a Windows update. In the last year, it happened to me 3 times. One was due to Crowdstrike. The latest update also recently broke my remote setup. Not completely their fault but still a crappy time. The one other time was due to an update (must've been the forced win11 one) killing the wifi and then Windows hiding any options to fix it, a bug from Windows 10.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 85 points 2 days ago (20 children)

So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think he's trying to say that their AI writes code good enough for Microsoft. Which is a message to other business leaders that your company too can benefit from copilot, just hand over your credit card!

Microsoft has absolutely gotten worse in the consumer space, but that isn't really their business these days.

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They're worse in the business space too. Teams is crashing on me daily.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

We can tell

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Does that mean that Microsoft shares are gonna crash?

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

If you count all of my contributions, 0%.

None of my contributions have been included. I am a terrible programmer.

[–] krimson@lemmy.world 378 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Horseshit.

The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.

"You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer." Continues to give wrong answers.

Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.

I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 117 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This ^

"20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories"

Now, if they had said "20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months..." I might buy that.

The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.

No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.

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[–] Antaeus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Copilot. Piloting you towards effortless bugs, and with all the telemetry, we don’t need to test our patches and updates. You, the user are doing that for us. Sincerely, Microsoft.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 2 days ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[–] spicehoarder@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Are they including stuff written by intellisence and boiler plate for legacy code?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.

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[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 159 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

He used the words "written by software". This is ambiguous and doesn't mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.

They're exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.

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[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It's not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They've been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft's awfulness not a reason for it.

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 22 points 2 days ago

Ok, it's like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they'll continue to release shitty stuff except now it'll be 30% more shitty.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 63 points 3 days ago

That’s… not something to be proud of.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago

We know Microsoft.

Hardly possible not to noticce..

[–] daddycool@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago

Well, that explains Windows 11.

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