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DNC will throw the election before putting a progressive into the race
AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.
AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.
AOC《》Jon stewart
Bernie as whip
The dream team 😍
Y'all know there's still house and some Senate elections coming up next year right?
You know what would show America and the Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) that Americans are finally serious about a 3rd party candidate? Supporting and electing 3rd party candidates in the House and Senate.
Ok, I try to be polite, and I generally agree you don't win arguments by saying shitty things, but whoever downvoted this is either a bad actor or has rocks for brains. I'm sorry to be so crass, but it needed to be said.
If only there were elections being held between 2025 and 2028 with less at stake than a presidential election. That way Americans on the left and right could come together and prove to the establishment parties that they would actually show up to vote for a 3rd party candidate for a presidential election.
It would be such a shame if angry Americans used this information to get involved in local politics and promoted ethical candidates who weren't purchased by a corporation ASAP
What would a 3rd party look like? Only person that comes to mind is jill stein whos a russian mouthpiece
One that doesn't take corporate donations would be start.
Another method is 3rd parties forming locally as grassroots organizations and then forming a coalition party to back 3rd party candidates on the national level.
Sort of how you have a few caucuses in the Democratic Party like the Farm-Labor Part in Minnesota, or Independents who caucus with the Democrats like Bernie who could be peeled off to back a 3rd party of even just flatly Independent candidates.
Example of a 3rd party: The Democratic party refuses to back and fund AOC as a candidate. American citizens crowd source her campaign so she runs as an independent
This is why the primary will be so important, and why Biden basically handed the win to Trump by pushing Harris instead of having a primary.
It shouldn't have mattered who the candidate was. When the opponent is an authoritarian bigot intentionally harming minorities you do whatever it takes in the moment to triage the situation and prevent generational destruction. Then you march/riot...etc and demand change from whoever the Dem president is. I blame the absent voters for ignoring the bleeding patient from the drunk driver accident and instead standing to the side demanding no more drunk drivers.
Maybe, but the only way I can believe that is if we believe Biden was a far better candidate that Harris. Biden mopped the floor in the Democrats primaries everywhere they were held. Florida and Delaware were the only states that didn't hold them if I remember, and Biden had something like 87% of the votes for Democrats. We say they meaningless, but the last time the Democrats were in the same position was 2012 voting in an incumbent. Obama got 2/3rds the votes that Biden did. 8 million, vs the 12 million votes for Biden.
The delegates could have flipped when Biden left but didn't. Its a much higher likelyhood that there the issue was more people were not willing to vote for her for being a woman or being black. If people think that 1-2% of the voters aren't racist or sexist in Georgia, Michigan etc they are off their rocker. A 1-2% moved from Democrat to Republican vote was enough to lose states like that.
So if Biden had not run at all, and sent it to Primaries, would that percentage have been enough to get her not to win the primary? I kind of doubt it.
Gavin Newsom may sound smart, but he's got his hands in your pockets stealing your money to feed the rich, kinda like the current emperor in chief.
Newsom is a slaveholder
I love the hate the DNC gets now. I'm also confused how the DNC's mandate isnt to be entirely apolticial.
Sadly, you are correct. Neither Kamala nor Gavin can win. But I'd prefer Kamala to Gavin, which is how bad Gavin is.
Can we do ranked choice primaries?
That would solve a lot of problems, so ... no.
The DNC would rather acquiesce power to Republicans than risk handing it to an anti-corporate candidate so... No.
We all like AOC here on Lemmy, but are enough of the old ass "liberals" going to join us so she can actually get elected? Seems highly unlikely to be honest.
I'd love to see it happen though. That's what primaries are for. The Dems should try one of those. It's been a while.
Bernie and AOC seem to be hoovering up the MSNBC liberal boomer demographic at this point because that demo has finally snapped and the dems leadership is completely absent.
That, however, probably won't translate into a progressive/socialist candidate winning the next presidential primary. They might have a stronger showing but dem leadership will move to protect their donors and stifle that candidate.
I'm 45. Am I old enough to be an old ass liberal? I love AOC and I hope she succeeds.
I hope nobody tries showing the establishment parties that Americans would actually show up to vote for a 3rd party candidate as president, by electing as many 3rd party candidates as they could in elections with less at stake occuring throughout the country between now and 2028. Boy, what a waste of time that would be.
I'm a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren't going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don't mourn. Organize!
and her opponents aren’t going to play fair
Sure, but they'll whine and cry if a progressive doesn't play fair. And they sure insist on playing fair when dealing with Republicans.
They are very selective on when to be unfair.
Of course not. They can't accept that their most passionate base actually wants progressive platforms, not centrist pop pandering. Dems are too worried about being "safe" and trying to steal votes from conservative-centrists. If they actually showed bills and votes to invigorate the actual progressives, they just might get some loyal backing.
Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
They need someone who isn't flagrantly pro-Israel. Democratic voters are going to associate Israel with MAGA, given Netanyahu's very vocal support for Trump. While the genocide should be the red flag, being painted as team-MAGA is the bigger red flag due to how politics is a team sport in the U.S.
It's not a good look.
Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?
Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".
I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.
To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.
That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.