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This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[–] PeripheralGhost@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) (noun) - An irrational and unwavering devotion to Donald Trump, characterized by blind loyalty, the dismissal of any criticism as fake news or conspiracy, and an inability to acknowledge his flaws or contradictions.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

We need one to counter and call it the Koolaid Cooperation Clause

[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 8 points 23 hours ago

In Soviet America the crackpots will hospitalize you.

[–] Captain_J@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.

Free speech is dead. Democracy is dead. And now the individuals who criticize Trump can be detained in a mental hospital.

Yep, we're back to the 1930s folks

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 day ago

Americans are fucked. Political disagreement to be classified as a mental disorder? Y'all skipped the Hungary and Russia steps, and went straight to NK.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just like in Soviet Union under Stalin.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

American asylums weren't exactly shining beacons of human rights during that period either. JFK's sister had her frontal lobe scraped until she could no longer repeat the lyrics of a song because she said problematic things as a woman.

[–] NimdaQA@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Not really, abuse of the mental asylums like this mostly happened after Stalin’s death. Under Stalin, you were simply thrown into the Gulag system.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I will scream it from the roof tops that he is incompetent and my dislike for him. I’m not scared.

[–] badelf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're not scared because your great grandmother wasn't thrown out a 4th floor window by Nazis. You really don't understand a dictatorship, do you?

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My grandmother was a German citizen. My blood runs deep and I fully understand how you put these people in their place.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

To be clear, screaming on rooftops didn't put the nazis in their place, communists with guns did.

[–] mouldylemon@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Is this a call to arms against the USsA?

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago

It is an observation of historical facts, I am not prescribing any particular action.

Running in the woods and trying to wage a protracted people's war against the local police didn't put the nazis in their place either, so who exactly would I be calling to arms?

[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The government has artillery.

[–] figjam@midwest.social 4 points 23 hours ago

Don't threaten me with a good time

[–] fff45667@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

This process is already able to be abused to swat people, and the conditions are horrible for the people being held. I've seen it as a MH worker. It's not a hospital, it's a jail. There is no treatment, only observation in cells. It's deeply traumatizing and corrupt. Coercion to get people to sign into voluntary programs ($) in order to be released, or they extend their hold. The whole thing is a travesty.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Awww, they're feeling the pressure huh?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

Was a mental health tech at a psych hospital. Ditto this, when it's the nurse's word against yours and the Ombudsman is already overworked and overwhelmed, you're cooked.

I tried to go to bat for my patients so often, but once the nurses and the aides burn out, they stop doing the job because they care and start doing the job because it's a job. I had nurses who told me to overchart patients so their insurance would pay more and they'd stay longer. Shady, shady shit.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago

And keep in mind that this is the state of things prior to our current regime that runs on cruelty.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records (more details on this page), but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents." "Victims often suffered from retrograde amnesia for the rest of their lives and had to relearn most skills they had. Many were in a childlike state and even had to be potty-trained."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

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[–] iz_ok@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Oh shit! Free mental healthcare.

Fuck Trump!

I'd like to talk about my mother when possible.

Yeah i'd also like to talk about my mother. She was a piece of shit.

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What makes you think it would be free?

[–] TechAnon@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Other countries will pay for it!

/s

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[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

What makes you think it'd be Healthcare?

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, preposterous bills written with no intention to actually pass have been part of the game for quite some time.

I guess the crazy part is that now you have to check up on them.

I think the other hand is telling every other appendage to make a bunch of noise while it loots the country to answer your question.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 22 points 1 day ago

And here I thought it was Roadkill F. Kennedy that was gonna send me to a concentration camp for taking antidepressants. Welp I guess it's the nuthouse for me instead. At least until being mentally ill at all gets you sent to the "rehabilitation farms."

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