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This came up in my health care forum.

Right now, you can legally detain someone medically when they are a danger to themselves or others for up to 72hrs. The details vary by state, but this is how we lock down individuals trying to suicide or someone mentally off the rails making threats of violence.

This variation on that law would also make opposition to Trump qualify.

Civil commitment can follow as with individuals who have profound mental illness and are not safe to be out in the world.

This is the loudest scream that democracy is dead short of hauling people out into the street and shooting them.

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

Donald Ewen Cameron's operation was running from what is today known as the Allen Memorial Institute (AMI), part of the Royal Victoria Hospital, and not to be confused with the non-governmental organization based in Montreal, AMI-Québec Agir contre la maladie mentale.

Love how Donald Ewen Cameron gets exactly one sentence that doesn't even describe anything he did, and is listed under the Canada section with zero mention of being funded by the CIA as part of MKULTRA (which also gets zero mention in the article).

For those who don't know, Donald Ewen Cameron posed as a normal doctor in Canada and took patients who came in with minor symptoms like headaches or anxiety disorders and put them into months-long comas without their consent to run CIA mind control and drug experiments on, including LSD and electroshock treatments at 30-40 times normal levels. The full extent of his abuse will never be known due to the destruction of records, but many people were severely traumatized with long term effects including, "incontinence, amnesia, forgetting how to talk, forgetting their parents, and thinking their interrogators were their parents."

After conducting these horrific, abusive "experiments" (torture) on innocent Canadians seeking medical help, with US government's full knowledge and support, Cameron would go on to become president of several different organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and even the World Psychiatric Association.

This is literally USA level stuff.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 hour ago

I guess I'll see some of you in the loony bin with me. We should play bingo or something.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Psychiatric hospitals are also allowed to lie to you. You can go in voluntarily, and be upgraded to “involuntary” with no recourse.

Mental health techs will lie - cause problems? Guess what, your notes now say that you are “paranoid” and “hear voices.” You’re “paranoid” because a tech beat the shit out of you two hours ago - you don’t hear voices, but you are “crazy” so obviously lying.

Check what rights institutionalized people have in your state. I can tell you where I live, there are none.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Lot of people here need to get informed and get a grip. Just because a bill is introduced doesn't mean it will be passed. The overwhelming majority of bills that are introduced don't pass. And this is in one state, not federal. And if the legislature passed it the governor may veto it, and it would certainly face legal challenge.

I get that everything sucks right now and it feels like we're getting attacked on every front. I get the administration is doing illegal stuff. We're in for a rough time. Still: don't give them power by acting like every idea they bring up is likely, or possible. This bill is just trolling, it's so some nobody state level legislators will have a bullet point in their newsletter and a social media post.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 32 minutes ago

While this may be true, most floods start with a single drop of rain.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

My first thought when reading this is….

We’re mere weeks away from martial law.

My second thoughts was, if this is the distraction- what is the other hand doing?

[–] Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone 31 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

If you guys haven't started rioting by now then I lack any empathy for you with what comes next.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Who wrote this fucked up bill? And isn't Minnesota a blue state?

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 hours ago

but, the bill doesn’t even make sense and uses “psychic” instead of “psychiatric”… so not even proof read….
it’s basically a troll bill, more important things to get upset about (unless you’re in minnesota, then you should petition to remove them)

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I don't know how to start a riot

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 26 points 6 hours ago

This statement sums up modern Western society.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 hours ago

first: start a huge protest with flyers and stuff.
second: start breaking things.
????
nth: prison for inciting a riot.
(although, worth it)

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 12 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

What in tarnation? Is Trump Derangement Syndrome a real diagnosis now?

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

I always thought it was a mental condition suffered by those who lack the cognitive function it takes to not vote for a fascist dictator.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

No, just some terminally online Trump fans think it's real.

[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This sounds like a great way to get a bunch of cops shot. Which is something they’re trying to push the death penalty for…

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Which results in more cops getting shot

[–] Sonicdemon86@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago

I've contacted all those that I can. A director at NAMIMN did respond to my email stating that this bill won't be heard at all. Still fucked up of them to even try.

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 44 points 10 hours ago

Oh look it’s incredibly fucked up fascist policy again wow I’m so surprised who could have predicted this ?

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

"Trump Derangement Syndrome" means the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal persons that is in reaction to the policies and presidencies of President Donald J. Trump. Symptoms may include Trump-induced general hysteria, which produces an inability to distinguish between legitimate policy differences and signs of psychic pathology in President Donald J. Trump's behavior. This may be expressed by: new text end new text begin (1) verbal expressions of intense hostility toward President Donald J. Trump; and new text end new text begin (2) overt acts of aggression and violence against anyone supporting President Donald J. Trump or anything that symbolizes President Donald J. Tru"

Just in case you missed it

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

What’s intense hostility these days? “Eat the rich”?

A meme post that involves suggestion of a Trump micro penis?

There’s too much interpretation left in the wind with some of those phrases.

[–] bier 3 points 6 hours ago

I'm not sure why Bill is presenting this shit, but he should stop!

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[–] salamandermander@lemmings.world 74 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

This is literally how the soviet union suppressed dissent in the 80s. Disagreement with the party was legally considered a sign of psychological issues. They did this to replace the gulags.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Russia did this after calling the war a war was made illegal.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

Having a human labeled as internally broken has always been effective. Even on the small scale, society takes a step back, maybe, at most, pities, but the label utterly destroys all leadership capacity due to the seed of doubt it plants in everyone.

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 41 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

it's legislative shitposting/meme magic. one of them gets an idea for the meme: adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a mental illness to troll the libs. it provokes a reaction in us, because it's 2025 and for all we know the damn thing might pass at the rate the fascists are consuming the state, and the Republicans' base feeds off of our panic and grief, fueling their schadenfreude. Republican voters are the real trolls; these legislators are just their proxies.

basically, this is the meme magic formula that took 4chan from "ironic" Nazi trolls to an outright fascist resurgence across the West, that took Trump from a meme candidate to the Oval Office, that took the 51st State rhetoric from obvious hyperbole to deadly serious. it's "just a joke" when you're defending it, it's "just trolling" when you're pushing it through, and it's "owning the libs" when you're executing on it.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As long as you aren't playing it down (I don't think you are but not 100% sure) I'm with you. Historically, that's how we got here.

Still, it needs to be called out, every step of the way. The more such "troll legislation" passes - possibly unseen - the worse things get.

Also, there's no 3- or even more-D chess going on. MAGAGOP is just throwing shit at the wall, not too bothered if something doesn't stick, but immediately ready to follow up if it does. So let's make sure it doesn't.

[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

definitely not playing it down. the whole point of meme magic is that it shifts the Overton window so bills like these can actually pass. it's a kind of "irony laundering." they "troll" the Left, the Left raises alarm, the Right keks and calls us hysterical, the Center sees us as crying wolf and tunes us out. the Right pushes the "troll" legislation as far as they can because "it's just a prank bro," until we're weakened enough they can actually pass it.

it's like how the Right goads us into calling them "fascists" because they're literally being fascists, the Right gaslights saying we're always calling everyone "fascists," until fascism reenters the Overton window because the Center thinks "fascism" doesn't mean anything anymore.

honestly, the Left should have used this kind of meme magic back when Republicans were calling centrist Dems Socialists. if we'd used this strategy as well as the Right did we could be executing Billionaires by now.

[–] Azal@pawb.social 26 points 11 hours ago

I saw on a conservative discussion group about making "TDS" (Trump Derangement Syndrom is what they're calling it) an actual entry into psychiatric work. I was wondering where this was coming from.

There it is.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 120 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It’s important to note the police are currently the people who bring individuals in for the 72hr mental health holds.

I think it is also important to note that it appears many of these officers are not wearing Level IV plates daily, and plainclothes cops may not be wearing any vest at all.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 48 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

It's also important to note that they're planning on introducing gun control for people considered to be mentally ill. They are going to declare every antifascist mentally ill, and use it to take their guns away.

Which is why I roll my eyes everyone those Dems mentions "Gun Control".

Armed Minorities are harder to oppress.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 93 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

What is wrong with people that they would rather live under the boot of dollar-store Hitler than in a tolerant society of people just getting on with life?

[–] pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

That's what I don't get. Like, why can't we just all get on with our lives, help those you have it worse than us, and work together on a better future for our children?

But no, there's a bunch of narcissistic assholes amassing wealth and convincing the other wannabe narcissists that everyone is out to get them.

I have a small kid and have no clue how to explain to him what the fuck was going on in right now when he's old enough to ask. I just don't get it. It makes me sad, and helpless, and anxious, and I just don't want to have anything to do with the rest of society. And I don't even live in the USA but am solid upper middle class in Scandinavia.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 54 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They want people to suffer.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 38 points 13 hours ago

Evil. The word you're looking for is evil.

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 43 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They believe the propaganda that others hate them or are trying to destroy their way of life, and that dollar-store Hitler is their champion fighting for them.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago

They believe that bullshit against all common sense and by very deliberately ignoring any kind of evidence. Fascists are always assholes first and the fascism just serves to rationalize their shitty behaviour.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago

These fucking unimaginative regressive vengeful idiots - they just ripped off ODS and CDS and tried to make it a thing during donvict's first term, and then, ironically had such a case of BDS under Biden [1].

Now the bootlicks want to enshrine "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (not a real thing) into law?

[1] ODS, CDS and BDS are and were actual things on the right, though. They kept claiming that these milquetoast center-right Democratic presidents were tyrannical, were going to take their guns, create death panels, bring about a Marxist regime, that qons were being "censored" (lol), and so on....that's some serious derangement.

[–] Letsdothisok@lemmy.world -4 points 3 hours ago

This post and the responses make me glad I was private schooled.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 7 hours ago

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[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 34 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

U guys remember that scene in Schindler’s List where the little girl is screaming “Good bye you Jews!” To all the families as they are being marched off to a slave labor camp? Well this is how that sorta shit starts. Make the opposition the demon and get away with anything.

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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 54 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is unhinged. I hope it doesn't pass.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 28 points 13 hours ago

It won't. Even if it did Walz would would veto it.

Every single elected Nazi will probably vote for it, but they don't have a majority and they are super upset about it.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 43 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
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