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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 16 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

pfff... he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.

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[–] Silar@infosec.pub 19 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago

Congrats USA, you just signed the death of my two cultures: First Nations and French Canadian. Your dictator will crush us like he does with every minorities and his maga army are already enjoying it. I hope you enjoy the new world, owned by and at the service of the 1% and the privilege-ass white boys.

[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Ah yes there was someone saying 1 in 2 people voted for Trump and yeah nope...

[–] sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 47 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

Those who didn't vote, who thought their vote didn't matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office.... they're complicit.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (8 children)

The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.

No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting...

Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i'm in my 40s

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

This is a very clear and succinct description of something I've been struggling to articulate for years. Affluent liberals can tell their boss they're taking a long lunch to vote, and they don't understand why shift workers don't do the same.

[–] tree_frog@lemm.ee 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don't seem to be getting the big picture.

Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn't vote are the easiest target.

[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Voting early or by mail was available to:

-Alaska
-Arizona
-Arkansas
-California: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Colorado: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-D.C.: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Delaware
-Florida
-Georgia
-Hawaii: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Idaho
-Illinois
-Iowa
-Kansas
-Maine
-Maryland
-Massachusetts
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Montana
-Nebraska
-Nevada: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-New Jersey
-New Mexico
-New York
-North Carolina
-North Dakota
-Ohio
-Oklahoma
-Oregon: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-Utah: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Vermont: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Virginia
-Washington: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Wisconsin
-Wyoming

I'm not saying people don't have tough lives, but it has been made pretty available to a lot of people at this point.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Note that there's some asterisks on there.

Some of those states require you to get your ballot notarized and/or signed by witnesses. Incidentally this opens the door for voter intimidation since your witness is likely to be a spouse.

Also, you have scenarios like NC where they are trying to retroactively toss ballots that were counted, and mail in opens the door for "something wasn't quite proper about the ballot, discard it".

If you absolutely, positively, can not vote in person at all, then try your luck with mail in ballots, but if at all possible vote in person if you want the best chance for your vote to count.

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[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I got a mail in ballot because I knew I wouldn't have time to make it on Voting Day

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, in-person early voting is a safer bet.

Mailing in your ballot puts it at a significantly higher chance of being discarded.

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[–] SoulWager@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don't think that's going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.

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[–] Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee 30 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (6 children)

So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

In the US it's legal for corporations to create propaganda outlets which stream nonstop lies designed to get sensitive individuals to vote fascists. It's impossible to have democratic elections and have completely disinformed and propagandized voters. Yet even after killing hundreds of thousands of conservative voters the courts have sided with the propaganda outlets.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to "show" how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn't vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that's not as ideologically pure as yourself.

We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The mistake here is assuming that the dems are left.

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[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Democrats arent leftists. Left of the the republicans isn't the same as being a leftist, and voting for democrats doesn't make you a leftist.

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[–] Retropunk64@reddthat.com 3 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, no, that's not how that works. We've got the electoral college, remember? There were 20 states that went blue. Any additional votes to Harris in those states wouldn't have made Trump win less, refraining to vote in those states ultimately didn't matter. You need to look at the percentage of people that didn't vote in states that went red. But I get it, its easier to blame everyone who didn't vote than to use critical thought.

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