The right/conservative ideology IS the propaganda used to prevent the uprising lol.
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Yeah, they're not trying to foster left vs right, they're trying to foster all right-wing with in-group fighting.
Isn’t the error of this obvious based on the last three months versus the last four years?
Working class left and right likely do have way more in common than they realize, but the difference is not inconsequential for working class.
So you're saying lemmy political threads, including this one, are actually upperclass propaganda. Have to admit that's one angle I never thought of.
What
Read the post - left vs right is just upperclass propaganda - which would include even that statement unless I'm misreading it.
I don't need to change the mind of someone so willfully ignorant of history.
Of course you do. If every leftist converts one person to leftism...
You mean right vs further right? Liberal vs Fascist? Bc those are two sides of the same coin
socialist agitprop has nothing to do with the distraction of the "culture war"
Hard agree. Is this even a "lefty" meme?
doesn't seem like one to me tbh
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There are significant differences, that we should never brush aside.
And also, we have much more in common than most realize, and we should find a way to work together on those things.
The right have completely bought into capitalist propaganda and because of that political solidarity with them is near impossible. For one to be free one must liberate their body and mind, if a populous frees themselves from capitalist oppression without class consciousness they will create a new capitalist class. We must educate them when possible but violently resist them when we must, sadly their alligence to tyranny will require resistance.
Yeah, lowering taxes for the rich and increasing taxes for the rich are really just two sides of the same coin! Privatisation? Nationalization? Potato potahto! Dumbest shit I've heard all night, and I listen to myself when I talk.
Yeah. No. I didn't read a goddamn thing about a guillotine in your post. Sucker.
Thank you!
The idea of "middle class" is more relevant imo. There are only the rich parasites and the working class.
And the working class trying to be rich parasites. Anyone can trade shares now. Anyone with a pension is heavily invested.
"Heavily invested". The 1% own the majority of stocks. The top 10% own 93% of the stock market.
I mean that they're heavily invested in the system because they've got something to lose. As in, they don't want the system to end even though they're suffering because they might lose their chance to retire and their accumulated wealth.
The term Left was literally invented to mean the French Revolutionaries, the people who used the guillotines!
The term Left was literally invented to mean the French Revolutionaries,
When was it co-opted?
Insane take. Leftism is the side of the working class in the class war. The propaganda is that the opposite is true.
There's a term for people who want to support the working class against the ruling class and it's "the left."
Democrats vs Republicans would be more accurate imo. OP, it sounds like you're not using left and right in the classical politcal sense, but in the way these terms are thrown around nowadays, especially in the US -- leftism being neoliberalism, and the right being...whatever it is now. Neo-conservativism? Both are right wing ideologies.
quick wikipedia snippet
In modern politics, the term Left typically applies to ideologies and movements to the left of classical liberalism, supporting some degree of democracy in the economic sphere. Today, ideologies such as social liberalism and social democracy are considered to be centre-left, while the Left is typically reserved for movements more critical of capitalism,[9] including the labour movement, socialism, anarchism, communism, Marxism, and syndicalism, each of which rose to prominence in the 19th and 20th centuries.
How do you unite with a group of people who want to deny other groups of people basic human rights?
Talk to them like their real people when the chance arises. Don't feed into the propaganda their fed about us and don't consume the propaganda we're fed about them.
Everyone that you fight is not your enemy and everyone who helps you is not your friend.
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Sometimes I put on a ski mask and dress in old clothes, go out on the streets and beg for quarters
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I bet you guys think I'm gonna talk to you about getting back up after getting knocked down in life. But I'm not. I'm gonna talk to you about hats. Not those square hats like the one you guys are wearing, which, by the way, I can't believe you're all wearing the same hat. That is tripping me out, man. Does everybody here wear the same hat in Miami? It's like a square hat with a string note . I never, ever in my life seen a hat like that. Are you all wearing the same clothes too? Is this some kind of religious school? What the fuck is going on here?
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Because the other groups were radicalized to blame their problems on minorities. The root cause remains inequality.
If someone is radicalized to become a nazi, they are still a nazi.
Seriously... We're all exposed to propaganda, the difference is we see some Faux News Nazi propagandist and say "gross..." while they see the same thing and nod their heads in agreement.
The right works for the upper class, disguised as worker class
Democrats are right-wing, btw. Bernie or AOC are only adjacent to the party.
Bernie and AOC are centrists, they think labor and capital can be compromised. In my opinion I want all of my labor value and I want all of my freedoms, in addition I do not wish to compromise with tyrants. Centrists like them are ok in awful systems such as liberal democracy but under a workers democracy they would be laughed away.
I mean... I think a lot of right wing people hate all the parts of capitalism, but don't connect the dots to see that. Instead they blame the queers or the foreigners or whatever.
But the segment of laborers who want to kill all the out-groups are real and a problem.
Sorry, but no
Left vs. Right is literally Monarchists vs. Jacobins in the early days of the French Revolution.
That's an organic emergence and the terms since then have tried to map to that binary of traditional power vs. reorganisation of society.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.