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[–] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

now canada needs to invest in proper public transportation, so in the future people wouldn't need to buy a car just for day to day life.

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[–] Slayan@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We dont need chinese ev to wreck US car industry. We need toyota and their hilux truck brand. We could build a toyota electric car manufacture around quebec's battery shop and a toyota hilux around alberta.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"Open the door to Chinese EVs" isn't a simple solution because it has wider reaches than restricting Tesla-imports. There's a reason Germany just effected tariffs on chinese EVs, namely because they are arguing that as china subsidizes their EVs, naturally non-subsidized local companies could never be price-competitive.

I don't know how that situation is in canada, but I bet similar things have to be looked at.

I like the solution, but it's not a simple one.

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[–] Septapus@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago

The world needs to tariff ALL elon companies and move away from American products/offerings in general. We need something to replace AWS in the worst way. The world needs to remember the corporations foreign and domestic that helped faciliate this and freeze them out because if they do it here in the US they WILL do it in your countries too. Toyota helped fund 1/6 for example. I will never buy a toyota because of it and elons companies will never get any patronage from me either.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Please please please...BYD is making super cheap Tesla killers. I'd love to get my hands on one.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)
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[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Bad idea. China isn't better than the US, and their EVs are a safety and security risk in and of themselves.

I can imagine Canada being in a position to collaborate with friendly countries to develop a safe, secure and open alternative to Tesla and "CCP-mobiles". If that becomes a reality, everyone benefits.

[–] n_emoo@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dont think anyone is advocating for lowering auto safety standards to allow Chinese EVs on roads. Lets be realistic in acknowledging that Chinese made vehicles are already in use in many parts of the world and provide comparable security and privacy standards as their American counterparts (viz. None).

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Or just fix public transit for fucks sake. Evs are a distraction from the problemm

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[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 2 days ago (19 children)

I have a better alternative: invest in viable alternatives to driving! expand protected bike lanes, build the damn high speed rail, more trains, trams and bus lines. One more asphalt lane for cars wont solve traffic problems :)

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think Europe or Canada should make EVs, and Greenland being given incentives to tap into their minerals to feed the materials necessary for the project. Greenland gets closer to independence, and whoever makes the cars gets to piss on Musk. Win-win, no need for the risk of CCP becoming too influential within democratic governments.

...While trade is a good thing, I think that maintaining at least a moderate level of manufacturing industry and sciences within your nation or cultural sphere to be very important. Just in case things get weird, like how 2025 has been.

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Yes, more Chinese infrastructure, that phones home and can be turned off remotely, with a switch, is definitely what the West need.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (20 children)

and thats any worse than US tech because?

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[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Haha yeah sure, unlike Tesla that has already remotely locked (and unlocked!) vehicles at their whim.

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago

I think we should build them ourselves.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Is china the only other country that makes EVs?

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Right? Why the focus on Chinese EVs? Do no European EVs exist? No Japanese EVs? Why not just open the doors for all EVs, regardless of what country it's from, and then customers can make informed decisions on which EV to get based on whatever criteria they wish? Get the competition going!

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Someone's doing the happy hunny dance....

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why just a tariff? Just ban all Tesla vehicle imports and all sales of new Tesla vehicles. For owners of existing vehicles they should be offered a generous buyback and equally generous loan terms for a new or used car. That would encourage most Tesla owners to trade-in their vehicles.

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[–] zeepintor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

How about japanese ones? :P Better invest on our own infrastructure, we need Canadian EVs!

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[–] jagged_circle 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I dont think there is a single privacy friendly EV on the market.

If a Canadian company could build and export an EV that wasn't loaded with invasive sensors and where the data recording and uploading was opt-in (or non existent), loads of US Americans and Europeans would import them from Canada.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think you can expand that to all cars, not just EVs.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

That feels like "robbing Peter to pay Paul". We don't want to be dependent on either nationalist autocracy.

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[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Good, the tariffs that is.

[–] NightCrawlerProMax@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That would be like replacing evil with another evil. CCP are not angels.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

But they sell cheap EVs, aren't threatening to invade, and Musk's Swasticars can't compete. It's just economic pragmatism.

Use the Chinese EVs while building up local infrastructure. If Canada wants native production it won't happen overnight, but if it doesn't make a deliberate and significant push for it it's simply never going to happen at all and you'll always be importing from, and therefore dependent on, someone.

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[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Canada has the same incentive to not open the door to Chinese EVs that the US does.

Why would they shoot themselves in the face just to splash some blood on someone else?

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The benefit of a tarrif on Tesla vs opening the market to China is that we can easily undo it if there is a US coup, Trump gets medicated, gets burned, whatever. There's still the potential that this is a temporary situation, not the new reality. If we open up to a third party, we can't put the genie back in the bottle.

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