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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago (4 children)

are westerners just all latently suicidal now, just craving an abrupt thermonuclear end to all these bullshit jobs? what else could be our excuse?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the west for everyone in the PMC and upwards consequences do not exist and have never existed their entire lives. Bad stuff only happens to people far away or to poors that don't work hard enough. Most of them genuinely do not think that it will affect them.

[–] whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Talked to a Pete buttigieg supporter yesterday and he said he wishes Biden would send troops into Ukraine

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

Should have asked for his Reddit account

[–] moonlake@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Ask him if he would enlist

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The West wants civilizational self-immolation.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

The guilt of genocide can’t be pushed down anymore. Each subsequent war is a way to redeem themselves. It’s a form of long term self harm

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Send Hunka. He can go and die there alongside Azov Nazis like he deserves.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

They've already got him in some warehouse, sitting in a crate and covered in cosmoline

[–] Aquilae@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The world wars were relatively brief as wars go. In and out. Four year adventure.

Compare that to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. This feels more like we're setting up another 30 Years War.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t really think so. The level of brutality world wars pretty much always necessitate is the reason they are short. You cannot sacrifice that amount of people forever.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Idk if I'd discount the brutality of Vietnam, between the cluster bombs and zippo raids and land mines and Agent Orange defoliant.

That war was about as brutal as it was possible to get, shy of nuclear strikes.

I think the WWs were, perhaps, more brief because of their scale. Very hard to maintain two fronts across central Europe for any length of time.

[–] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

Vietnam was different for sure, but it just isn’t the same situation as a world war where multiple modernized military forces are going at it with the most cutting edge technology and tactics available. I think another reason world wars don’t last as long is because they are wars that are much harder to extract profit out of too. You have to sink an insane amount of resources into it at the cost of pretty much all other economic activity.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Vietnam was only brutal for one side

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Wtf are "noncombat troops"?

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

Troops in an """"""advisory"""""" and """"""training"""""" role stationed close to the front line who could of course defend themselves in the event of attack,

[–] D61@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

Military Advisors janet-wink

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Troops not involved in combat? Death to Canada, but it's a perfectly plausible thing to say. Medics, engineers, etc.

[–] AsLeftAsTheyCome@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

They’re going do the same shit as the reddit volunteers, where every reddit-logo mercenary was claiming to be a “medic.”

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Our superior recon tells Ukraine where to shoot boom boom we supply them with. Therefore bullshit we didn't "pull the trigger".

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Plausible deniability

[–] IsThisLoss@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

little green men

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Sacrificial lambs perhaps

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

a convenient excuse to escalate

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

We should not for a second believe "oh we're not going to send anybody who'd directly harm anyone," but I believe most military personnel do not directly fight. Support/logistics needs are immense.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Combat troops with extra steps

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

May as well be the Attack Minister at this point

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

I play my minister faceup in attack position

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Do you want to hollow out the core of your professional military? Because this is how you hollow out the core of your professional military.

Almost all NATO countries are struggling to meet recruiting quotas. Telling an undecided teen that he might be sent to die in Ukraine even if he lands a non combat role is recruiting suicide.

[–] xi_simping@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago
[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

They're gonna have to hurry up lol

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Not to be a tankie or whatever but I'm gonna be pretty peeved if NATO's cope at losing escalates this shit into nuclear war. Threads did not make that look fun, like, at all.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

damn i didnt think facebook's twitter clone was that bleak

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Pair with Come and See for a very offputting movie night

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

CIA agents, NED bozos, and American mercenaries were already there training/arming Ukraine two years ago, so I'm frankly surprised there wasn't already noncombat troops there.

[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Why is that Russian soldier grabbing a dead guy’s crotch.

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

Cum retrieval.

[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

img caption: "Ukrainian National guard soldiers simulate the evacuation of a wounded comrade and provide first medical help during tactical training at a shooting range in Kharkiv region, Ukraine, on Feb. 29, 2024. "

[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

Something something Vietnam.

[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The west hasn't suffered negative consequences from war in recent memory. Maybe they'd be less belligerent if they did

[–] SkibidiToiletFanAcct@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I feel France is leading the charge because you need a nuclear armed country to deter tactical nuclear weapons which are likely part of Russia's strategy. However, France can't match Russia on tactical nukes, they would need to escalate with nuclear cruise missiles and submarine MIRVs

[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I don't think they are necessarily manufacturing consent, I think it's posturing to see if Russia won't nuke them for getting involved.