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The three "brands" they tested are all from the same outfit, who most certainly sources them all from the same sweatshop in China. This does not apply to all disposables by any stretch. There's plenty of better reasons to dunk on disposables.
I saw this same exact comment under another thread that talked about a study, but it was clearly wrong as they were from different parent companies. In this case, the brands aren't even named in the study. Again, I must ask for source for your claim, but again I don't expect you to provide it.
The brands are mentioned in the study that is linked in the OP article. Don't even have to open the pdf as the abstract already has them: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acscentsci.5c00641
Because it’s the same headline on every article. Also, someone else posted the study.
Like I said, the three companies named there are not the same companies, but you claim they are, and are sourcing it from the same Chinese sweatshop, even tho they don't even seem Chinese.
https://www.elfbar.com/
https://www.escobarvape.org/
https://mipod.com/collections/
So, again, can I get a source for your claim that all these are the same company sourcing their stuff from Chinese sweatshop?
Since nobody else will provide the actual clarity
EscobarVape and Elfbar are created by two separate Chinese companies, Shenzhen Innokin Technology Co. Ltd and Shenzhen iMiracle Technology respectively. Mi-Bar is created by an American company but has partnered with Elfbar to distribute Elfbar products in the US
Really wish more people would just provide the facts that speak for themselves, rather than point fingers about who is and isn't doing their research
Also, it's only disposables. I use the rebuildable rtm coils with tiny microcoils I wind myself and cotton at 12W, and I've had my blood tested recently per a physcial and lead was on the sheet at a negligible amount.
Some other dude might use an entirely different brand, someone might use pods, someone might use old gear, set in their ways.
And the coils for all of these setups range from pieces of mesh to metal plates to wound pieces of wire to ceramic disks to who knows what. There is no standard.
Yeah keep on trying to justify your habit. Just admit they’re bad but you like them anyway.
Where was the justification in that post? Did you just wake up this morning and decide to be a dick or is this just normal you?
It’s pretty normal.
Woof...
Looking at you is like looking in a mirror though
where did you mfs come from lmao
Well, I came in your mother.
So expecting actual scientific evidence instead of going based on the vibes of moralizers is just rationalization? Also did you even read their last sentence? Invalid.
Actual scientific study. Gets called not a scientific study. No one looks for the studies of other brands. Angry vaper calls scientists “moralizers,” demands study that favors their views.
Invalid.
You are the dullwit that is trying to apply a study about Chinese made disposable vapes to all vaping.
You’re the dullwit who thinks there’s nothing wrong with inhaling propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, and whatever they fuck is in the “flavor”
Just admit it’s bad for you and then keep doing it, because it’s your fucking body— And I don’t give a shit. But it’s immoral to tell people there’s nothing wrong with it, when they’re definitely is.
Better than leaf. I know who I am. Harm reduction.
Right Fondant.
Yes vaping is worse than not vaping. Its bad. I like them anyway.
Why don't you take your judgemental attitude and fuck right off bud.
"How dare you not live life the way I think you should!!!"
Christ you people are so annoying.
That interpretation is your own opinion, and not reality. I don’t care if they do it. Just stop pretending it’s not bad. No one should be inhaling a heated/burning chemical that smells and tastes like bubble gum and produces a “smoke” like vapor when you exhale.
What I think is annoying is people who keep trying to make it not sound bad.
I literally said it's bad. I agree, in an ideal world no one would be smoking or vaping or drinking etc the list goes on and on.
We don't live in an ideal world.
If I could go back in time and stop my dumbass 16 year old self from smoking, I would. I'm just sick of dipshits like you acting all high and mighty because you don't have an addiction and don't understand how hard it is to get off nicotine.
Let people live their lives as they want and mind your own god damn business man. Not that hard.
I wrote a big long post but it boils down I agree with you and you wrote it better.
I beat alcohol after years of trying and more than one rehab. Quitting nicotine right now seems more daunting than the drug that ruined most of my life. It's that addictive and vaping personally feels better for me than smoking a cigarette.
Congrats! I enjoy my drinks a little more than I should, it's hard to get past that feeling of "I'm bored, a few beers would be nice". Seriously, good for you, I'm happy you finally beat it!
Nicotine is hard because it doesn't have such a strong effect on your life the way alcohol does and it's (mostly) accepted as a vice that isn't that big of a deal. No one at work is gonna judge you for having a vape/smoke break like they would if they smelled alcohol on your breath for example. It doesn't make you hungover, or irritable, or tired because you stayed up to late etc. It simply becomes a part of your daily routine and that's the hardest part about giving it up. I've been addicted to nicotine for 15 years now, 6 on smokes and 9 on vaping. Almost half my life at this point. I've tried 5 times to quit and I've never been able to make it past a week.
Don’t have an addiction? Who said I didn’t smoke for 15 years? Who said I didn’t use “ecigs” for 5 years. Who said I wasn’t off and on those nicotine mints for years? Who said I don’t fuuuukkinggg love opiates? Who said I haven’t struggled with alcoholism for decades?
You know who’s high and mighty? You.
I don't pretend my problems are “okay” because I can still hold down a job.
That’s not what I said — that’s a misrepresentation you’ve cobbled together by ignoring most of my comment and twisting the rest to suit your own narrative.
"Don't be so judgemental about my judgement. If you're going to smoke something you might as well smoke meth"
Why are you putting that in quotes? Is it because you said it? Yes.
I'm paraphrasing you in a teasing manner.
It’s rare that anyone on here teases.
Well I'm teasing. With a feather. Dismissing harm reduction because you believe a big tobacco hit piece is a little silly IMHO.
People who don’t vape see these articles and think that vaping is OK. Then they go from non-smoker who doesn’t vape to a person who does vape, which is not at all harm reduction. If I’m not correct then why are there so many people vaping who never smoked? People have been tricked into thinking that this is something that’s OK for them to do. I don’t mean socially, but that it has zero risk or low risk.
So, you can call me silly all you want, but please don’t tell me that I’m dismissing harm reduction, when I’m very clearly not.
It pretty difficult to quantify the amount of people who never smoked who would have smoked if they hadn't vaped. This is clearly a big tobacco hit piece. I'm completely fine with becoming an anti vape crusader. Once leaf tobacco is dead.
Edit: enjoy some tunes https://youtu.be/K3Kupv4Lxgo
I’m not clicking that. And, I never said people shouldn’t do it. I just said don’t tell people it’s not harmful too. Far too many people like to defend their drug of choice. We should all be aware, even if we choose to ignore reality privately.
Tragic really.