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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Interesting because there's a very old gay stereotype that they're extremely violent. These days, it's usually that gay men are effeminate and passive, and I think a lot of people don't even realize this stereotype existed.

Baron Harkonnen and Scar (The Lion King) are examples.

[–] peregrin5@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago

Jafar. i don't think these characters often represent violent crime though. more often just deviousness

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Captain Hook, evil dandy trope.

The Baron Harkonnen example is interesting because the author was admittedly homophobic when he wrote the character, but later regretted the choice after making amends with his gay son.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Examples of that older stereotype, you mean?

I'd never have guessed Scar were gay.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disney never comes right out and says these things about their cartoons. Ursula is based directly on the drag artist Divine, but you won't catch a Disney executive admitting that.

But yes, Scar is basically the gay uncle.

[–] UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not doubting, but can I read someone's commentary that explains this more?

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

https://time.com/6282514/little-mermaid-ursula-drag-queen-divine/

Ursula is pretty easy to understand, because that’s so 1:1 with Divine and there are direct confirmations.

With Scar one of the supervising animators, Andreas Deja, is openly gay (now, not at the time because it was the 90s) and has spoken about adding campiness and other gay influence to his work.

With other examples it’s a bit more difficult, because to understand it you need to understand how the Hays Code affected the portrayal of queer people on screen. The short version is that queer people weren’t allowed to be overtly portrayed at all, so any characters with queer coded behavior (by 30s to 60s standards) wound up as villains. As this becomes more entrenched in media, these mannerisms became shorthand for villain, so by the time the 90s rolls around the people referencing these tropes might not be familiar with their origin.

For the long version, see the documentary The Celluloid Closet.

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I have done the web search for you. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.removed/2014/11/gender-representation-in-lion-king.html

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What the heck why is my link being censored?

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

~~There should be a.com where it says removed~~ See my comment farther down

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, did you copy the link from someone else’s comment on another instance? I’ve literally never seen a Blahaj comment get caught by a censor filter for anything, much less a .com

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Turns out there's a spam filter on blogspot links because spam bots very frequently send links to them

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'mma be honest, I'm struggling to trace your intended source. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.wordpress.com/ doesn't work, WordPress tells me it doesn't exist. https://queeringthenetautumn2014.com/ (which is what your earlier comment implies it should be) doesn't exist in DNS. Google searching for "queeringthenetautumn2014" and for "gender-representation-in-lion-king" and similar turns up nothing useful.

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ah, sorry, it's supposed to be where it says removed.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah right, thanks. It's been a long time since I've come across a Blogger page! I wonder if I can link to it...

https://queeringthenetautumn2014.blogspot.com/

edit: ah, well it seems to work on my instance and on most others, but then get censored in federation to Blahaj. Which I guess is better than getting censored in all instances, but ah well.

Thanks. I wanted a trustworthy source from someone knowledgeable, not whatever slop pops up when I google "is scar gay" 😁

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[–] adhocfungus@midwest.social 46 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I'd definitely believe the top two. My oldest sister seems to only date dudes that end up beating her, but my other sister has been put in the hospital by every woman she's dated. I know it's slim pickings, and rural Midwest lesbians have a lot to be mad about, but stop taking it out on each other! There are more deserving targets.

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
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[–] PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago

I hate the datamancer of this chart- if you have 'heterosexual men/women' the other bars should be labelled 'homosexual men/women'

And listing them alphabetically instead of by grouping or delinquency is also mildly irksome.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Commit or get convicted of (hint: its impossible to measure crimes commited)

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Assuming this is from the NISVS, it is a self-reported victim survey.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that would make it quite hard to get reliable information on the perpetrators' actual sexuality orientation outside of situations where the victim personally knows them

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Its a survey specifically of intimate partner violence, so it's all situations where the victim knows the perpetrator. (Again,assuming the data is from the source I think it is).

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

So even worse

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess bisexuals do literally 0 crime.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No they do the sum of all crimes! Dark lords! 😂

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bisexuals do 10% more damage to everyone ;3

[–] peregrin5@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

come on brothers. be gay do crime!

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This morning I drove to the post office going 38 mph when the speed limit is 35. Last week I checked my phone at the social security office when the guard was distracted. Next week, who knows what depravity I may commit.

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

That's it, I'm calling the cops on you, you are a menace!

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

Them: "Are you just just going to bend over and take that?!?"

Me:

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is there any average differences in hormones between gay and straight people of the same gender?

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

what a weird comment to make

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is it? I'm don't feel informed enough to be sure of the answer and I don't think that finding out one way or another would be problematic. It's a genuinely interesting question from a scientific perspective that follows on from OP's chart.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

We can pump these numbers up

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