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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't really care if Steam decided to crack down on porn games, its their store. Payment processors being the ones to force Valve's hands simply doesn't sit right.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

an unelected duopoly can basically dictate global laws.

definitely dystopian

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude SWIFT has more financial power and sway than visa and mastercard. They're the folks who manage the network that allows bank transfers to happen nigh instantaneously. So if they block you, you are fucked.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I hope that the EU creates a digital currency system that is universal, and for privacy coins to become common. I don't want to deal with American payment processors, because they want to prevent me from supporting the people who make my life better.

Payment should be a dumb pipe, allowing me and you to uphold the social contract.

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ability to pay for anything legal implies accountability. I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they're afraid of Jesus.

They just did the math and there's probably a ton of disputes/chargebacks on certain content.

Should two consenting adults be able to pay each other for whatever the fuck - absolutely. But dumb pipe only sounds really good until you get scammed.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I doubt payment processors are creating these rules because they're afraid of Jesus

For starters, the biggest owners of both Visa and Mastercard are Mormons, so...

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 238 points 1 day ago (56 children)

On the one hand, oh noz, the incest games. Who will live without the low effort AI goon crap?

On the other hand, why do the payment companies get to dictate what sales are made? It's my fucking money, or my fucking store. It's not the job of the payment processors to determine if I'm buying illegal goods, just that the money goes from me to the store.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 86 points 1 day ago (7 children)

It's been like this for a while in the porn industry. In an interview a while back, Bree Mills says she gets more limited by payment processors than the government (though that might be switching).

Ever wonder why every faux-incest video goes out of the way to say everyone is a step family? Step father, step daughter, step mother, step brother, all somehow living in the same house, over 18, and no blood relation? The first amendment protects them from the US government, so that's not why. Credit card companies are why. The old Taboo series was distributed differently back in the day. Can't make that anymore.

This also applies to some of the more extreme BDSM stuff, like blood play or scat. Won't find them on kink.com.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 97 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Payment processors should not be allowed to dictate what content they allow to be bought and what not. It's not their job to police people, let me live ffs

[–] smegger@aussie.zone 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Agreed. If it's not illegal then it should be allowed. Not that I approve of this type of content, but corporations should not be selectively enforcing their morals.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

I think platforms should freely moderate and that payment processors shouldn't even know the legality

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If you can't buy these games on Steam anymore, where can you buy them?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They might sort of have to do this or risk being cut off, given the loss of US Net Neutrality and the new pro-business-rights administration.

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[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

There is a lot of talk dancing around the issue here. This isn't an American thing or a Puritan thing. This is purely a capitalism thing. They have been doing this for years. Do you think lolicon got forced off of every major platform for moral reasons? It breaks laws in various counties that the web hosts and payment processors operate in. Wincest porn, CNC porn, Zoo Porn, NSFL stuff. It's all illegal somewhere. These companies are chasing profits. Those niche topics mentioned above lock them out of expanding into some places. Like China. They don't give a fuck about the ethics of the content. They care that they're loosing money by not being able to conduct business in those markets. They care that hosting it makes them a target and possible have to deal with law enforment of some country, fines, or vigilante style attacks on their network. You'll loose your little family harem video game. They don't care. They're making billions processing the main narket. It's capitalism and the global economy that's making your platforms more conservative.

"It's just good business." It pisses me off.

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[–] KAtieTot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Is national payment processing the solution?... International public payment processing?

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[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Payment processors and financial institutions sure do seem to hold disproportionate amounts of power.

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They've been pulling this shit for years. It's just been to stuff you agree with. You think the zoo porn just and drawn CSAM just disappeared from the big platforms and search engines because it was the right thing to do? Nah it was the processors and ad agencies. Pressure from capital. People just didn't care then because they agreed with it.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

First they came for the incestuous porn
Then they came for the furries
Then they came for games with violence
Then...
Then...
Then...

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait a minute, PayPal is pulling puritanical bullshit again? Did they learn nothing from the last time they tried that?

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

This has been a thing for at least ten years now. Credit card and money processor companies have policied content for ages. That's why it's hard in some ways to pay for porn. They fucking strong arm and moralize. To be fair I only have like one game on steam that's smut but since it was snow days I'm betting it will be removed.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

You know what? I'm going to buy some yaoi on steam out of spite. Spite yaoi.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 85 points 1 day ago (54 children)

It's only a matter of time before they come for furry stuff. They did it with fansly. It's apparently "simulated bestiality" and from what I've heard you aren't even allowed to reference trans puppy girls, pup play, etc without getting banned.

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[–] Hamerdown 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

new gamestore named Steaming Hot

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Transcriptnickyflowers: It would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. The advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though their definitions of family and friendly are fucked. But since they're in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. TikTokers say things like "unalive" and "seggs" because they know death and sex are too adult for online. Online is for idiot babies only now because they're easier to market to.

nickyflowers: Oh I'm sorry you're a trans adult? Super ban. You are super banned for life. You have upset Visa's feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. How could you do this to Google Ads?

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This might sound like a good idea. But it is not, since lets say some topic is too sensitive for the payment processor, then they have monopoly on what game can and can not be allowed on Steam.

So in the long run, this is a bad idea.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This doesn't sound like a good idea in any way. Why the fuck do banks get to say how my money is used? They can literally eat my shit.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Steam should accept bitcoin or some other crypto as default for all titles and only use card for "safe" titles

Steam users are mostly tech savvy enough to do it

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Steam used to accept Bitcoin, they stopped when the transaction fees made it unusable. Every time I remember that I get really pissed off, had the block size been increased back then Bitcoin would still be accepted in the many places it was (Steam wasn't the only one, lots of stores online used to accept it), but because they kept promising a magic solution that never manifested people lost hope and jumped ship (which did solved the problem as nowadays only investors use Bitcoin, so a lot less transactions, a lot more value in them, and higher fees matter less)

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