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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I think there’s two kinds of shows, and this notion is true for one of them.

Burn Notice had a crazy and weird set of dramatic final seasons. I never bothered with them. But previous seasons were excellent things with only a few minutes focused on the central plot of unraveling the Burn, the rest devoted to serials of helping some innocent person evade a gangster. Always enjoyable.

But there’s other shows where all they are building is plot anticipation; just a growing feeling of “I wonder how this will end”. I’ve even become alerted to video games doing this with excessively long running series, or anything touched by the creator of Kingdom Hearts.

Each solid piece of media should have an enjoyable ending to it - even if it’s also building towards future endings.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Except that isn't the same logic?

A show's ending is the culmination of its plotlines. A bad ending essentially invalidates all the plot development of the show.

Similar logic applied to a human would be if someone spent all their life trying to cure cancer and told everyone about how they were about to release the cure to then, suddenly, abandon the project, destroy all research so no one else can use it, and fuck off to retire in Tahiti.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 1 points 2 days ago

And then a brick wall fell on that guy and his sister in Tahiti.

[–] BigMike@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I mean, a show tells a story with a start, a middle, and an end. Each of these sections rely on the previous one to build a world that the watcher can engage with it. If one of these is bad, it reflects on the entire show.

And out of these 3, I would argue that the ending is most important. The ending is what the entire story has been building to. All interactions and choices made have lead to this one point. And if all of those choices lead to an ending that is poorly made, it makes those choices that the characters made feel pointless. It leaves a bad taste of the possibilities of a better ending for the show.

[–] simple@piefed.social 122 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Disagreed, there are many shows that spend seasons building on the ending that if the ending is really bad, it makes the rest of the show feel pointless.

[–] Neondragon25@piefed.social 54 points 4 days ago (1 children)

GoT comes to my mind with this. The whole show are these giant buildup to the war in the north, the dragons, Westeros power grabs, Jamie's character arc, children of the forest, and other cool concepts that ended in a pathetic wet fart of a final season. It makes watching the show feel like a waste. when you know at the end its just a wet fart.

[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Having the white walkers built up as an unimaginable threat for the entire series only to be toppled by catapult Arya was the biggest wet-fart turd on a wagyu steak dinner.

[–] Neondragon25@piefed.social 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unimaginable horrors beyond your comprehension Ends up just being some popsicle ass MFs who all die when the lead Mcfrozen nuts gets shanked.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

LMAO @ Lead Mcfrozen Nuts!

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Grim comes to mind. It ended so abruptly I just regret watching it at all.

[–] CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 days ago

Hah! My spouse loved that show, so we watched it together as it aired back then. I wasn't interested in reading about the show online and such, so when "The End" appeared on our screen, we were both shocked! Wasn't expecting that!

We did rewatch season 1 recently which had some great moments, but gave up after that.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 days ago

Ugh why did you remind me of this? Grimm was such a good show only to just fucking nosedive right off a cliff one day.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Its more like "this man stopped ww3 but then in the later part of his life he said he shouldnt have and wants all the insert ethnicity to die a horrible death", still a legend for stopping the war but maybe that last part is a bit fucked.

[–] Jikiya@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The last season of GoT invalidated all of the growth that was witnessed in all the previous seasons, ruining the story.

How I Met Your Mother's last season broke a spell that was over me, thinking that any of the characters were decent people. And allowed me to look at the whole thing without any of the nostalgia that carried me throughout the show. Was a young adult with questionable opinions that got better as I got older. The show seems to have never done so. And so I can say that the bad season did ruin the rest of the show, as I may have never given it a critcal eye if they had written it better.

[–] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I remember reading all the alleged leaks on freefolk for s8, couldn't believe they'd be accurate, some of them just seemed too dumb to be real.

By e3, so much of them had been correct (well, at least from the parts of that episode I could see), I just embraced it. Was a far more enjoyable experience for me, at least got me through the remainder of it. Cracks showed before s8 (once they ran out of book material I think is when it stated), but there was so much dumb shit that final season.

We used to do rewatches, my partner hasn't touched it since then and has said she probably never will, s8 just ruined it for her (she also leaned into the spoilers after e3)

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Really putting the "ass" in comparison there. Also, if a person say... wrote a best selling beloved children's book series, but then heel-turned into a piece of shit, it absolutely does ruin their entire body of work for a lot of people.

Like, this happens, what is the comic even talking about?

[–] EvilFonzy@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Context can certainly change over time. If Rudy Giuliani died in 2002, he'd be remembered as 'America's Mayor'.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 13 points 3 days ago

How cruel a joke it must be for a God to create beings that crave consistency in a universe where the only consistent thing is change.

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[–] Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 4 days ago

What no? A show has a narrative structure - buildup to a disappointing end devalues all of that which came before.

A narrative and a person ain't the same. It also follows that we evaluate them differently

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

If a show tells you it's building to something, then fails to deliver, it has disrespected all the time and effort invested.

See:

Lost
Battlestar Galactica
How I Met Your Mother

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

bsg was wierd because the showrunner forgot about the series, and wanted on the ill fated caprica, plus him being a mormon made the whole show wierd, because he wanted a GOD-centric(think any other shows with angels/demons/god related material) ending to the show. the og series never had that kind of crap.

[–] Blujayooo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I personally, just ignore the ending, and appreciate the amazing time I had leading up to it. xD

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Or when it ends on a cliffhanger just to get canceled. That really ruins how I feel about a show.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

both sga and sgu were cliffhangers, sad.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm still super salty about SGU, that show was just starting to find itself when they cancelled it.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

i ignore the non-canon novels. according to an interview with the writers/showrunners, sga was suppose to have a big bad in season 6, one of the advanced races that have been hiding from the wraith that wier mentioned while stuck in "ghost in the machine", one of them being the aliens in the deadalus variation that looks like the "borg/wraith" hybrid and that ship. Some of them did go on starget subreddit and comment occasionally though.

SGU was more recent, so they went on that sub, and said the 3rd season was going to have goodies, like the race that created the drones, apparently the writers were alluding it to the novus colonies that did it, so humans. plus the planet builder ALIENS were going to have more lore in it too.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago

What a stupid logic.

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago

"Too late, I've already drawn you as the soyjack"

[–] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If a story doesn't have a satisfying conclusion, then I would say starting the story is pointless.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

enterprise had a really bad ending, because les moonves hated the franchise so he made it a wierd PEGASUS tng sideplot, and it was suppose to have a season 5 to involving the romulan war. nutrek was just terrible from start to finish, animated however was superior to the 3 series, but inferior to old trek.

BSG as well, due to the writer strike, the showrunner forgot about the show and made it a messianic, jesus/god ending. the showrunner hated the sci-finess of the show, so he made them without any advanced tech of the old series.(allegedly the showrunner wanted a mormon themed show.)

Blood of zeus was rushed because netflix cancelled the show.

SPN is another terrible ending, but honestly the show was way past its prime and lifespan anyways.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think both "the show had 5 great seasons but a terrible ending" is as bad as "the show has 3 bad seasons but the last 2 are great!" are equally bad and reasons that I would not watch something.

It's not like there aren't hundreds of other options.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Babylon 5 was a great show... with this caveat:

  1. Season 1 is slow and you won't know how important it is until you watch 2, 3, 4.

  2. Season 4 is the single best season of sci fi television ever produced, but you have to have seen 2 and 3 to fully appreciate it.

  3. The reason Season 4 is amazing is because they didn't know they were getting a Season 5 so they stuffed 2 seasons worth of television into 1.

  4. Then they got renewed for Season 5 by a different network and were like "Season 5... um... yeah! We totally have a plan for that... Yeah... totally ready to go."

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[–] moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

We absolutely do apply these to people. Kevin Spacey? Bill Cosby? Jeffrey Epstein? Jared Fogle? Joe Paterno? Louis CK? Chris Brown? P. Diddy? Harvey Weinstein? OJ Simpson?

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Flip side, the guy that killed Hitler also caused the deaths of millions of people all over the world including approximately 6,000,000 jews. Like, his whole thing ended on a high note. Does that invalidate all of the bad beforehand?

Nah, you don’t get credit for suicide.

But to your broader point, it takes a lot of work to right something that’s bad. Someone who has a troubled youth but does their time and spends years rehabilitating their image may be remembered for their later years, while someone who is a terrible person and then says something nice on their deathbed is likely to only be remembered for the bad.

Tying back to the shower thought, a show can start out bad and get good (Star Trek TNG, Parks and Recreation,) but a show whose only good episode is the finale is unlikely to be remembered fondly.

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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

meh. if people report that the ending of a show was terrible, i'm not going to watch it, no matter how "good" the rest of it was.

similarly, if someone turned nazi at the end of their life, i'm calling them an asshole, no matter what they did before that

also, comparing tv shows to people's actual lives is a dubious half ass analogy

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Let's say you build a bridge. You build the nicest on-ramp, you put the nicest lamp posts, the nicest pavement, and the most beautiful railings in the history of bridges. And the bridge ends on a cliff. There might be some nice views on top of the bridge to nowhere, but it's a bridge to nowhere.

That's a work of fiction with a bad ending. A work of fiction is a work, not a person, so where it leads to is very much an integral part of the work.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A work of fiction isn’t a bridge either. It’s a journey.

My analogy would liken it more to a cross-country trip to some fabled destination. You embark on the trip and have great music great friends/family in the car. See great sights, stop at great places along the way and enjoy great regional foods. Then you get to the destination and it’s a big let down.

Was the whole trip a waste? Not in my opinion. Sure, the destination was a letdown but think of all the fun you had getting there.

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

There are several types of journey.

If you set to walk around the park aimlessly, then sure, destination doesn't matter. And plenty of fiction is built like this.

If you set out to climp the Everest, keep talking about the summit, and then end up falling off a cliff and breaking your neck midway, the journey was a fiasco.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

The ending of a series can completely destroy all the meaning and character development of said series.

Or let me put it differently:

Essentially what this is saying is "it's about the journey, not the destination", but ultimately it's a pretty flawed notion. It doesn't matter how pretty the journey is if you're going to someplace to get tortured or beaten.

Also, as far as people go; you may cure cancer, but you can still suck. Steve Jobs sucked. He died a stupid death because he didn't listen to anyone about curing an easily curable cancer. Something which also defined his career, as he never listened to anyone about computers and technology, meaning his stuff sucked all the way up to the 90s.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

This comic is out of touch with the politics of Netflix style script writing where there's no story arc being followed.

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[–] fonji@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, Alfred Nobel tried to do a uno reverse on this one. And I think it worked!

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 12 points 4 days ago

This comic has a solid set-up, but the punchline is weak.

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