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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Accounting for emissions per kilogram isn't that fair, can we account for emissions per 1000 kilocalorie? Or emissions per protein?

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We need significant subsidies invested into vat grown meat. But now Big Ag is getting it banned in every state it can. Texas and Florida have already banned it.

[–] DarthFrodo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Plant-based meat alternatives have also become much tastier, cheaper and available, especially over the last decade. Cultivated meat will be great for steaks and stuff, but for many things we already have replacements that are quite good.

Some store brand meat alternatives have already reached price parity with factory farmed meat here in Germany, and this will continue as the industry scales up.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (23 children)

YSK you should stop guilting us peasants.
Everyone knows who's to blame.
Tired of this shit.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Let me tell you something, the consumer is to blame.

Nobody needs to orient their life around anything that they don't choose. For example I willingly gave up my car and picked a job near me so I didn't have to drive.

There wouldn't be a market for bottled water if people wouldn't drink the fucking shit.

This whole cognitive dissonance crap where you get to live a completely hedonistic trash-filled lifestyle, while justifying that you have the right because you're sad about your earning... I am sick to death of this attitude in people.

Oh and the shitty product that exists? I must consume it, it's not me for purchasing it and creating a market, it's them for serving my need & this market.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's pretty lame to use the (imperically correct concept) of, no ethical consumption under capitalism to blanket absolve you of willful, informed choices. Humans all eat approx the same amount of calories, but the production of said calories are far from equal. Like you can be mad at the statistics but that doesn't really change the reality of an unnecessary cultural pratice which massively contributes to climate.

I mean just for your own sake, stop this line of thinking at "I don't care" instead of looking for a scapegoat to justify you indifference as praxis.

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How much less red meat to offset all the private jet that flew to Venice for bezos’ wedding?

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 15 points 2 days ago

You're right, better do nothing.

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[–] SpaceCheeseWizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Coffee is a big one for me along with cheese. I'm waiting for cheese to get better with vegan alternatives, the last time I tried shredded vegan cheese it melted and tasted like plastic, although that was 3 years ago now, and I am willing to try again.

Coffee is something I think can be helped if people were more picky on what brands they chose from. I do not believe Starbucks is the most sustainable coffee brand, as they trained me when I worked there to believe.

[–] wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Violife cheese for the win. Stay away from Tofutti/Daiya. Those are trash tier.

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I stopped eating beef about 4 years ago. It was a great decision. I much prefer pork/poultry anyway.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

question, how come beef is so cheap it's it takes so much resources?

if it's just subsidies, then we should get rid of them

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Being alive is bad for the environment.

[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

All you fuckers act like your individual choice to not eat meat or have kids won't just have another eat up the same resources or have kids in your stead. We need smart people to have ethical kids and we need extreme systematic political change for any real affect whatsoever. Even if the ENTIRE WORLD dropped red meat, while still a good chunk, it's only 6% of our global annual emissions that we'd save. The top 3 sectors for emissions are energy transportation and general industry which makes up about 75% of global emissions, at about 25% each. The individual choices not mattering as much as political systematic change is huge, and that won't happen if the Trumpers are having most of the kids and we're having stupid divisive arguments about what our individual food choices should be.

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[–] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cute.
I'd be more interested in adding private and commercial airliners, long-haul trucks and tanker ships to the list for comparison.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (34 children)

Not having a kid eclipses all of these by orders of magnitude.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Rice and refried beans for me! (my cholesterol is high)

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[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Looks slightly off TBH, sources? Nuts being lowest, while Palm oil being quite high. Nuts are efficient, especially when considering caloric value, but I'm pretty sure something like a potato is better per kg. Palm oil AFAIK is a very efficient (most efficient vegetable) oil, might be that the destruction of highly carbon rich forest is factored in there maybe...

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Operative word you. Individual action was a deliberate red herring constructed by the FF industry propaganda machines half a fucking century ago, because they knew who the actual significant contributors to the problem were.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ontop of that, factory farming is a lovecraftian horror that floods the universe with terrible agony. And there's very good reason to believe that the suffering of animals is as real and awful as yours or mine.

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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