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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.

https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption

Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-beef-industry-fueling-amazon-rainforest-destruction-deforestation/

https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2023-06-02/almost-a-billion-trees-felled-to-feed-appetite-for-brazilian-beef

If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT πŸ™ŒπŸ™Œ πŸ™Œ

Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (8 children)

We need significant subsidies invested into vat grown meat. But now Big Ag is getting it banned in every state it can. Texas and Florida have already banned it.

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How much less red meat to offset all the private jet that flew to Venice for bezos’ wedding?

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 15 points 2 days ago

You're right, better do nothing.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (7 children)

question, how come beef is so cheap it's it takes so much resources?

if it's just subsidies, then we should get rid of them

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The resources required are themselves cheap.

Well water is nearly free, food can be cheap for a farmer it's corn and grass which they can grow, or a corn / molassas mix which is pretty cheap to buy. If they birth the cow, there's special costs and then there's vet/medicine bills. A farmer's time is the ultimate cheap thing because they more or less ignore it in pricing. The butcher's price/time isn't inconsequential.

The environmental issues don't cost them anything unless we tax it.

Some forms of beef are pretty cheap but not all.

Hamburger is cheap. filet is $15-$25/lb. 4 decent 1.5 inch-thick steaks come to about $100 wholesale.

The meat from the cow is about $3000 after processing.

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[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

All you fuckers act like your individual choice to not eat meat or have kids won't just have another eat up the same resources or have kids in your stead. We need smart people to have ethical kids and we need extreme systematic political change for any real affect whatsoever. Even if the ENTIRE WORLD dropped red meat, while still a good chunk, it's only 6% of our global annual emissions that we'd save. The top 3 sectors for emissions are energy transportation and general industry which makes up about 75% of global emissions, at about 25% each. The individual choices not mattering as much as political systematic change is huge, and that won't happen if the Trumpers are having most of the kids and we're having stupid divisive arguments about what our individual food choices should be.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's enough to make it difficult to keep to 2C climate targets on its own. Its not something we should ignore - especially since much of it comes in methane emissions which means reduction in it can be felt quicker and reduce chance of hitting feedback loops. We must tackle all sources

To have any hope of meeting the central goal of the Paris Agreement, which is to limit global warming to 2Β°C or less, our carbon emissions must be reduced considerably, including those coming from agriculture. Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5Β°C and difficult even to realize the 2Β°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357


That's also on top of other environmental issues that it contributes to besides just climate change. Land usage, water usage, waste runoff

Transitioning to plant-based diets (PBDs) has the potential to reduce diet-related land use by 76%, diet-related greenhouse gas emissions by 49%, eutrophication by 49%, and green and blue water use by 21% and 14%, respectively, whilst garnering substantial health co-benefits

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/html

And pesticide and fertilizer usage is lower

Thus, shifting from animal to plant sources of protein can substantially reduce fertilizer requirements, even with maximal use of animal manure

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344922006528

The diet containing more animal products required an additional 10 252 litres of water, 9910 kJ of energy, 186 g of fertilizer and 6 g of pesticides per week in comparison to the diet containing less animal products

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/public-health-nutrition/article/comparing-the-water-energy-pesticide-and-fertilizer-usage-for-the-production-of-foods-consumed-by-different-dietary-types-in-california/14283C0D55AB613D11E098A7D9B546EA

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (34 children)

Not having a kid eclipses all of these by orders of magnitude.

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[–] SpaceCheeseWizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Coffee is a big one for me along with cheese. I'm waiting for cheese to get better with vegan alternatives, the last time I tried shredded vegan cheese it melted and tasted like plastic, although that was 3 years ago now, and I am willing to try again.

Coffee is something I think can be helped if people were more picky on what brands they chose from. I do not believe Starbucks is the most sustainable coffee brand, as they trained me when I worked there to believe.

[–] wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Violife cheese for the win. Stay away from Tofutti/Daiya. Those are trash tier.

I will look for that when I'm looking for shredded cheese, next time.

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Being alive is bad for the environment.

[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I stopped eating beef about 4 years ago. It was a great decision. I much prefer pork/poultry anyway.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cute.
I'd be more interested in adding private and commercial airliners, long-haul trucks and tanker ships to the list for comparison.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (12 children)

Operative word you. Individual action was a deliberate red herring constructed by the FF industry propaganda machines half a fucking century ago, because they knew who the actual significant contributors to the problem were.

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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Ontop of that, factory farming is a lovecraftian horror that floods the universe with terrible agony. And there's very good reason to believe that the suffering of animals is as real and awful as yours or mine.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Rice and refried beans for me! (my cholesterol is high)

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Looks slightly off TBH, sources? Nuts being lowest, while Palm oil being quite high. Nuts are efficient, especially when considering caloric value, but I'm pretty sure something like a potato is better per kg. Palm oil AFAIK is a very efficient (most efficient vegetable) oil, might be that the destruction of highly carbon rich forest is factored in there maybe...

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 18 points 2 days ago (9 children)

What about not having children?

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (6 children)
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