What bother's me about these sorts of posts is they don't give people a consumption goal. Blindly telling everyone to consume less isn't exactly fair. Say, for example, there's person A who consumes 1 unit of red meat per month, and person B who consumes 100 units of red meat per month. If you say to everyone "consume 1 unit of red meat less per month", well, now person A consumes 0 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 99 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Say, you tell everyone "halve your consumption of red meat per month", well, now person A consumes 0.5 units of red meat per month, and person B consumes 50 units of red meat per month. Is that fair? Now, say, you tell everyone "you should try to eat at most 2 units of meat per month", well now person A may happily stay at 1 unit knowing that they're already below the target maximum, they may choose to decrease of their own accord, or they may feel validated to increase to 2 units of red meat per month, and person B will feel pressured to dramatically, and (importantly, imo) proportionally, reduce their consumption. Blindly saying that everyone should reduce their consumption in such an even manner disproportionately imparts blame, as there are likely those who are much more in need of reduction than others. It may even be that a very small minority of very large consumers are responsible for the majority of the overall consumption, so the "average" person may not even need to change their diet much, if at all, in order to meet a target maximum.
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Save the planet! Eat Deez Nutz!
I've been the bane of chickens all my life...
I stopped eating beef about 4 years ago. It was a great decision. I much prefer pork/poultry anyway.
I continued eating beef 4 years ago. It was also a great decision.
You forgot number one: By far, the best thing you can do for the climate is not have children.
Increasing the bag limit on "billionaire" to something greater than "0" would have a much more appreciable effect on the climate than a thousand families forgoing children.
Kill all the billionaires -> another crop step in to fill the power vacuum - likely more likely to hire excellent security teams.
Revolution, overthrow capitalism -> the power hungry psychopaths who wanted to be billionaires pivot and seek positions in seats of government power. They continue living lives of opulant luxury on the public largess, and propagate fossil fuel and factory farming industries since this is one of the ways they skim their wealth from the public coffers.
Reform, throw out all the opulant bureaucrats. Maybe murder them. Introduce a new level of transparency in government. Install leaders who follow the public will, even to their own detriment. But the public will likes things mostly the way they are, and doesn't want to give up their cars because they are used to them and see them as a symbol of their success in achieving whatever socioeconomic status, and doesn't want to give up meat because meat is delicious. Because everyone likes getting things for free and the elected representatives do exactly what the public demands, entitlement programs grow rapidly while taxes stay the same or get lower. No one does work, because perfect communist utopia provides people with all their needs, so people just spend all their time driving cars and eating meat. A few do-gooders talk about how we are destroying the environment and going bankrupt. Everyone tells them to shut up and stop being nerds.
Economy collapses due to no incentive to work. Everyone admits that capitalism was pretty flawed, but was still pretty good at getting people to build houses and shit even when they would rather be driving cars and eating meat. Start capitalism again, but with better rules about lobbying and regulatory capture and all that jazz. Also, better education and support for children so the next generation grows up less fucking stupid. Elect good politicians who are good at spinning necessary hardships to their constituents. Apply a carbon tax to meat and gas and give people the tax money directly, because most people feel like they come out ahead when they get free money.
Remove the bag limit, put a bounty on them. Anyone that murks a billionaire wins a 2000 ft^2 home (or condo, whatever) in the location of their choice, with all taxes, fees, and utilities paid for as long as they live there.
I am so confused by this comment.
What's a bag limit? Why would you apply it to the word "billionaire", and why would increasing the limit help the climate?
Are you saying billionaires should use less bags? Because I doubt that would help more than having 1000+ less humans on this planet.
Thanks. Never heard that term before so I thought you were talking about plastic bags and worded it weird as fuck lol.
I could devote all my time to recycling, reducing carbon emissions, not driving, voting, not eating red meat, including forcing everyone i know to do the same - and the net result would be an iota of a drop in the ocean of change. i.e. nothing.
As others have said, until there is a global shift on how the world operates and the major oil companies, cruise lines, and airlines all shut down, nothing you or i can do will matter.
Airlines, cruise lined oil companies are not immutable forces of nature. They have grown to their current size to meet the demand of individuals like you and me who want to buy shit and go places.
If everyone stopped flying, passenger airlines would be out of business and no longer flying planes within a year or two. Same with cruise companies. Oil is used in more things but if everyone switched to EVs or stopped driving oil production would go way down- even more if we cut our plastic usage as well.
Don't fall into the trap of thinking consumers are powerless. In a free market economy they are very powerful- that's why boycotts can be so effective.
Seriously. Some people here are so happy theyβve found the βperfectβ justification for their apathy and inaction.
A quarter of emissions is nothing? Yeah the overwhelming majority is attributable to major oil companies, but you're just being lazy and fatalistic. But sure, just sit there and wait for a paradigm shift to come save you from yourself I guess. Literally the first two search results I found:
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-eating-meat-bad-for-the-environment/a-63595148 https://www.c2es.org/content/regulating-transportation-sector-carbon-emissions/
or eat the wealthy is a better start
I heard it would be better for our health to compost the wealthy and eat the crops that grow.
May Luigi bless them all
If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat
To be fair, only one of these is a choice in many parts of the world.
The metric of per kg of product, while entirely fair, can be a bit misleading when it comes to making high impact decisions in your life. The switching to tea example is a good one to criticize because on this chart coffee is quite high up there, but I consume only 15g of coffee a day, compared to probably close to a kg of meat, egg, and dairy. Eliminating coffee would not be a high climate impact decision.
Looks slightly off TBH, sources? Nuts being lowest, while Palm oil being quite high. Nuts are efficient, especially when considering caloric value, but I'm pretty sure something like a potato is better per kg. Palm oil AFAIK is a very efficient (most efficient vegetable) oil, might be that the destruction of highly carbon rich forest is factored in there maybe...
indonesian forests are f'uped from all those plantations. brazil/amazon is destroying the amazon for chinese consumption of cows. all these are jungle/tropical area which hold mega biodiversity, many plants are undiscovered, and such, and some are so rare(mycoheterotrophs, parasitic) that they can easily be wiped out.
Coffee is a big one for me along with cheese. I'm waiting for cheese to get better with vegan alternatives, the last time I tried shredded vegan cheese it melted and tasted like plastic, although that was 3 years ago now, and I am willing to try again.
Coffee is something I think can be helped if people were more picky on what brands they chose from. I do not believe Starbucks is the most sustainable coffee brand, as they trained me when I worked there to believe.
Until Exxon and BP are no longer in business and global shipping transitions to zero emissions, there is nothing an individual human can do that will have an impact in any way on global climate. They problem is systemic, not individual