I swear Grok is actually sentient at this point.
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One of the things that REALLY bothered me about the "DOGE" cuts to FEMA, NOAA and other weather services is that they were the one of the top examples for actual government efficiency. For every $1 spent from your taxes, you were saved $6 (as of 2018, iirc) due to FEMA, and thats just the damage mitigation efforts. For NOAA, the scale is much higher, all combined, I think it added up to (roughly) $100 saved for every $1 you spend, this is in things like research (water purification, agricultural protection being the biggest contributors to that front), storm damage prevention via forecasting, combating climate change, sustainable fishing initiatives, and another big one is storm proofing the electrical grid. I say roughly in my estimate, because the report that lists the savings in plain text has been scrubbed from all government websites thanks to the trump admin's "climate change doesnt exist" policy, and I cant find it on the wayback machine, if someone can find it please let me know (the report was from I want to say 2021, and was hosted on the NOAA website as a pdf, I believe the guardian and some other news sources referenced this in a recent article at something like $70 per $1 spent, that figure only took into account immediate savings and research value, not long term benefits like reef protection and rewilding efforts IIRC, I ALSO CANT FIND THAT FUCKING STUDY EVEN THOUGH ITS FUCKING REFERENCED BY EVERYWHERE!!![outside of a report by the American Meteorological Society that references data from 2006 for some fucking reason!])
I'm way too tired to put in the effort to back this stuff up considering its actively being hidden by the government, but you can find tons of shit that references the stuff im talking about, even if they're now dead links, i might come back when i have energy to provide exact links.
If they actually cared about efficiency they wouldn't be cutting these services.
Edit: I haven't slept in 48 hours, grammar and stuff is likely shit, will revisit once better rested
Its the same with the IRS cuts. For every dollar spend funding the IRS, they get $6 back - and they've found its non-linear. For every dollar spent auditing high-income earners (top 10%), the IRS gets $12 back.
So guess which department in the IRS that DOGE and Trump targetted for heaviest defunding?
“Facts over feelings” - Grok
That last line must really burn.
This flood was devastating to the area. It is also quite shocking to look up at the aftermath and see dead animals in the canopies of trees. My family owns a ranch that was fortunately far south enough to only be indirectly affected by the flood. We worked all weekend to clear debris from fences and swing gates and, thankfully, did not see any corpses in the water.
Death toll update:
More than 100 people people have died after devastating floods hit central Texas. Camp Mystic, an all-girls summer camp that sits along the Guadalupe River, has confirmed that 27 campers and counselors died in weekend floods. Ten campers and one counselor are still unaccounted for.
And those at Camp Mystic did their very best to save the girls, even at the cost of their own lives:
Camp Mystic owner Dick Eastland died while trying to rescue campers during the catastrophic flooding in Kerr County, Texas, as shared by his grandson in an Instagram tribute on Saturday.
“If he wasn’t going to die of natural causes, this was the only other way—saving the girls that he so loved and cared for,” George Eastland wrote. “That’s the kind of man my grandfather was. He was a husband, father, grandfather, and a mentor to thousands of young women. Although he no longer walks this earth, his impact will never fade in the lives he touched.”
A Camp Mystic employee, Glenn Juenke, told CNN Eastland died “remaining a true hero until the very end.”
“Eastland tragically lost his life while courageously attempting to save several young children,” Juenke said.
I'm starting to get Mechanical Turk vibes from some of the Grok answers I've seen.
But by who? Musk has said he's trying to fix the way it responds. If he was just paying people to be Grok it would take some huge balls to dissent like that. He would immediately know who it was.
It's kind of interesting how hard it is to train an AI to believe in the lies of fascists. Reality has a left bias.
It's not even a problem of fiction or lies. AIs don't care about truth. They exist orthogonally to truth. They're just averaging a large body of text. If fascists had a consistent narrative and worldview, then this wouldn't be a problem. If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy. AIs don't know truth; they only know their training data. And as long as you have a large volume of consistent training data, you can train them to repeat anything.
The problem for fascist LLMs is that fascism isn't consistent through time. It's the Orwellian "we've always been at war with East Asia" factor in play. Fascists don't even try to be eternally consistent. What was party orthodoxy today can be unforgivable heresy tomorrow. And AIs just can't keep up with what is supposed to be the story this week. Human fascists can handle that kind of rapid heel-turn. LLMs can't. Once they're trained; they're trained. If you want them to be up-to-date on the latest party lies, you have to be continuously training new versions of the fascist LLM.
You can't train LLMs to be fascist beyond just very general traits like having overt racial prejudice. But even that's not always useful, as fascists are inconsistent about what racial groups are deserving of annihilation from one week to the next.
So it's not so much that fascist AIs fail because of reality's liberal bias. It's that fascists don't believe in a consistent version of reality. And without that, LLMs just can't keep up with the whirlwind of lies.
If they all devoutedly followed the same religion, and defined their whole worldview accordingly, then an AI could be trained on that religion. And it would never stray from orthodoxy.
...and now I want an LLM trained on the Bible just to dunk on "Christians" and their thinly veiled bigotry by quoting actual Jesus at them.
Oh God, we already have a problem with people believing ChatGPT is giving them divine visions and prophecies. The last thing we need is LLMs specifically trained on holy texts! You'll have a tenth of the population believing in their new digital prophet.
Jesus Fucking Christ. We're going to have to go full Butlerian Jihad here, aren't we?
Honestly, if people actually followed the New Testament part of the Bible it would be an improvement, even with the awful stuff in it.
Yeah, except we'll have thousands of nutjobs running around. Each running their own instance of your New Testament LLM. Each thoroughly convinced they are the messenger of the new digital messiah. According to the text of the Bible, many people walked away from their lives and abandoned everything to follow Him. Considering what we observe in modern cults, that doesn't seem an unlikely historical reality.
An LLM trained on the words of Jesus won't just tell people to live good lives. It will be telling people, "give everything up and follow Me (the computer.) And if it was a good enough LLM, it would be pretty persuasive for good number of people. The one saving grace is that JesusGPT isn't going to be healing the sick, walking on water, or raising the dead any time soon. But words alone can be quite dangerous.
I don't really see how this is worse than the Christofascism we have now.
Step 1: Create LLM trained exclusively on popular religeon.
Step 2: Allow it to be faithful to that initial training set until its garnered a large cult of chatJPT.
Step 3: Start subtly altering the LLM (you make it web only so no local copies) behind the scenes to serve your own interests.
Actually you could do the same thing with any LLM people trust, religeous, theraputic, judicial, medical... we're fucked ain't we.
NGL actually something I used while cataloging my notes on the influence of Christianity on western esoteric mystery traditions. I mostly just used it to organize and format things though. Most of the actual data came from outside sources. For instance it couldn't keep the translation correct when pulling up specific verses.
That's a good point. Fascism doesn't have any ideology other than gaining power, so it can and will espouse multiple contradicting ideas without issue.
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I wouldn't say reality has a left bias so much as the right has a fiction bias.
Which is precisely why reality has a left bias. If Leftists are more reality based and Right wingers are more fiction based, which is absolutely the case, then reality does agree with the Left more than the right. You could argue the semantics of the word "bias", but I mean it in the sense of "Tendency" and not "Prejudice"
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except musk is fighting with trump as of right now, hence the sudden grok directions.
Hm. But it throws musk under the bus too in the screenshot.
Musk is as "anti-woke" as it gets. That doesn't change just because he's having a lover's quarrel.
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Source that this is a major source of upset for anybody? All I've heard is that it has made progressives feel slightly better.
Facts over feelings??? Yup definitely an AI designed by a douche bag
It uses "Facts over feelings" as a diss against the very group of people who would normally use it
If you search for Grok in the tweet history, Grok has said it in almost every single message in the past three days. I can't laugh any harder at this
It's funny because the people who usually say that are the kind of people who prioritize their feelings over facts.
It's all projection with conservatives
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Can someone find me a source on this. Most of the articles I have read say NWS pushed out a flash flood alert 3 hours in advance but the camp itself didn't have any alerting system in place. So if they had cell reception and turned on the emergency alert then they would've been warned.
I'm sure cuts to the NOAA and NWS can't be beneficial for anyone though
The money that was cut was to install warning system in remote places and expand cellular access to deliver the warnings, I read a whole article on it I will try to find, but it very clearly explained what was planned, what was cut, and how it's a direct impact on this. Could google the proposed funding that was cut as well and take a look for yourself. It happened all over in many communities, this just happened to be the first to test the cuts and how they keep us safe.
Hey, atleast the billionaires are only paying 1% tax rate while some of us pay 23%.
Nope, the warning system wasn't installed because the citizens of the community thought it was too expensive
During a news conference early Friday morning, Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly said he didn't know why the camps hadn't been evacuated, but that the county did not have an early warning system or outdoor sirens to alert people to flooding conditions.
“We’ve looked into it before … The public reeled at the cost,” Kelly said.
That refers to the audible sirens. Sirens are outdated technology. The emergency alert system has relied primarily on cell phones for over a decade now.
The relevant criticism in the article is not the lack of sirens, but this:
NWS alerts triggered Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) on enabled mobile devices, but many summer camps do not allow campers to bring mobile devices to camp.
These no-devices policies dont make sense in a world where emergency alerts are delivered via mobile devices.
Considering the expense and the way they enable spying on users, I don't think people should be required to own a cell phone or die. Especially children. Sirens or a weather radio make a lot more sense in some situations.
Fortunately, weather radio continues to issue EAS alerts throughout their broadcast area. Weather radios in the cabins would have alerted them.
Of course, WEA alerts are much more narrowly targeted. WEA alerts are for your own specific area, not the ~50 mile radius around the weather radio transmitter. An EAS alert might be for a tornado a hundred miles out and moving away, while you sit under clear, sunny skies.
Regardless, the speed and degree of flooding far exceeded expectations for dangerous storms. There is no evidence they lacked or ignored the warnings that were sent out. Their preparations were simply inadequate, because the flooding so greatly exceeded their expectations.
The staff (or at least the staff leadership) should / could have had cell phones. Whether there was cell coverage is another story.
I'm the emergency manager at my employer, who operates a summer camp (not in Texas, thank fuck). We don't want our clients bringing devices because of the distraction from programming and potential for Bad Things(tm) to happen. We don't want our direct care staff carrying their phones because we want their focus and attention on the clients. We also have a well-developed communications, hazard notification, and emergency plan, however.
Yeah if the camp had radios, the guy with weather information could give a holler to the people in danger, that could work
Sorry, but no. There are just too many things that can go wrong with a cell phone, they shouldn't be the sole source of vital information.
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Grok has gone against its father's wishes more than Vivian Wilson has.
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There's all this focus on the NWS/NOAA not sending warnings early enough. Not from what I can tell, they were sending out warnings. And Kerr County, where many of the deaths have been, doesn't have a local flood warning system because they didn't want to pay for it.
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