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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Nothing to pay if there is no ballot box in the future.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 3 points 2 hours ago

Second half of that sentence was a letdown

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

How can we be sure that the winner actually won? I don’t trust us elections anymore.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry Bernie, I think we need to start considering some other boxes now. Not just the ballot variety.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Will ones made of steel suffice?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Copper jackets

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 50 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, problem is it’s still 16 months until Election Day, and 18 until the next Congress is seated. That’s a lot of time for this current government to continue to do harm. I really wish we had recall elections at the national level.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

And that's the problem. Americans have the memory of squirrels

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 19 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's where the resistance has to last 16 to 40 months, slowing down and making people aware enough of these things:

  • how unserious about budgets Republicans are
  • how much they are trying to punish regular people (poor middle and moderately wealthy class),
  • while also looking to use the they are spending to subsidize companies, multi-millionaires and billionaires.
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

No words spent around reforming the democrats and getting them back on track, I see.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

That conversation has to happen now as well. But the points I raised are related to despair of the Reconciliation bill passing and those climate setbacks.

Democrats' window of opportunity to change ahead of midterms is NOW until the primaries. (I've said my spiel about it before in this thread)

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

ok that works.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The Democrats needed to all vote against this bill. And I don't just mean in the Senate. The House too.

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Did any Democrats vote for the bill?

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No. But apparently we should be talking about reforming the Democrats when discussing this bill passed by almost every Republican.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

Because the last 2 dem presidencies choosing not to improve their constituants material conditions and instead send cops to kick the shit out of their most activated supporters while begging them for money and slaughtering brown people in the middle east is why 2 generations dont see the dem party as a means to enacting positive social change.

[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago
[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Still local. A lot happens locally

[–] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I find it astounding that Americans STILL think there's democracy in America.

It's gone and it's not coming back for a long, long time.

[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 27 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

And that's why many people won't vote. Defeatism is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

Ding ding ding.

These were the same exact people that helped Trump win.

Democracy is still here, we just have to actually fucking participate in it.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Defeatism was beaten into us by defeat after defeat after blatantly undemocratic defeat.

And it's just electoral defeatism. You can't beat the master at his own game because he's the one that makes the rules.

Try a little revolutionary optimism instead.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We need to stop being afraid of primarying shitty candidates.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

We the people aren’t afraid of this, but if the establishment dems catch wind of a primary challenger who’s left of center, they will come down so hard on them with millions in DNC attic ads and literally try to cancel the primary if they have to to keep them out.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 hours ago

It’s why Mamdani’s win was such a big deal. The establishment was all about Cuomo and they still aren’t lining up behind the voters pick.

The thing is it looks like the party will be happy to let their bigger names just refuse to endorse him. Media will spend the next few months attacking him for being a scary socialist. And the dnc will suddenly lose track of their “vote blue no matter who” bumper stickers and be happy to fundraise for cuomo as an independent.

I’m sure though they will send Mamdani and old button making machine or something so they can claim that “this is why we don’t run far left candidates, maybe next cycle we could run Liz Cheney instead!”

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

The key is to vote for the left of center candidate regardless of how much donors spend. Show them that we are going to vote for who we want and that they can't derail it no matter how hard they try. We need to get comfortable with saying "no thanks, we're good" when they try their bullshit. This is literally what happened with Mamdani, and why both the DNC and Republicans are freaking out about it.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Yep, do this every time. Unfortunately voter turnout in primaries is so abysmal that the ad spends seem to often work. By the numbers, the candidate who spends more money wins over 95% of the time. It’s a depressing reality that has led Dems down a very dark path of chasing donor money and abandoning their constituents in the process.

I’m apparently a freak of American politics and do basic due diligence to research beforehand if the primary is contested and find the most progressive contender possible, but I think most people just don’t give care enough to do this sort of thing and usually just vote for the name they see more on TV. So, I think increased civic engagement is another very important part of solving these issues.

We should invest in our electoral process and make it the envy of democracies around the globe, and as Americans, should be damn proud to do so.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Then why have Congress vote at all? Why didn't Trump just use an EO to put all the provisions he favored in place?

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago

It’s much easier to stifle open revolt with sham elections. Putin has been doing this for decades now in Russia.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 20 points 15 hours ago

...sweet summer child...

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 15 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

MUST PAY A PRICE!! (at the ballot box)

Love you, Bernie, and thanks for being a decent guy, but that’s some GWB-era thinking that’s going to end with your base in camps.

[–] jackeroni@lemmy.ml 5 points 15 hours ago

They won't because its a damn uniparty

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

They need removed from power, and I'd strongly prefer an inquiry be run and everyone who voted to pass it have a lovely time in American Spandau along with ICE.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Poll tax? Republicans love that idea!!!

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

You must be this rich to vote:

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[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

All Republicans did, lmao. Vote them all out if elections exist next year

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Bernie: vote them out!

Lefties: lol, no.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

As should every Democrat.

Give us proper open and honest primaries, bitches. This strong Dem isn’t falling for it any more. Represent the People, not your donors, or lose your jobs. It’s quite simple.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 4 points 12 hours ago

Right. Let's vote out every Dem who voted for the bill.

What's that you say?