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How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 24 minutes ago

Thanks to big corporations effectively owning governments and big politicians the world over, things aren't bound to get better anytime soon, because "the economy". Fuck that shit

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 49 minutes ago

All that's left is to make the rich suffer.

[–] Sektor@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Futurama, Crimes of the hot episode was a prophecy

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Has been for ages. It's now question of how bad, and we are still making it worse.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Good point. I try my best, but even if like 90 % of the population tried harder, it would barely offset the billionaire companies killing our planet.

They're the problem, always has been that way.

I think it's time to stop them.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 1 hour ago

Now that's some carbon sequestration

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Well, one way in which we can help fight against climate change is by not eating meat or dairy products.

For anyone curious about the subject, there's some good science backing that up, though the links I'm providing are lazy DDG searches, so if anyone wants to do it, they can probably find better sources out there with more information.

The average cow can produce somewhere between 100-500 litres of methane a day, which is 23 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

Alfalfa and other grass hays is a crop that used a crazy amount of water, and it's grown primarily to feed cows.

Going vegan, or at least mostly vegan, is the way to go. Can start with going vegetarian and at least swapping out meat sources. Alternative vegan protein sources

With that being said, I do not practice what I preach. I should, though.

Again though, I do all these things and it doesn’t matter cause my entire life’s output of CO2 is being put out by one guy in an hour. I’m turning off lights and corporate buildings are running all the lights and AC 24/7

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

The actual problem is democratic oligarchism/zionism/neocon warmongering/US colonialism. Protecting establishment is easily supported when higher priorities than human sustainability can be manufactured. The more miserable you are made, the less you care about "higher level Maslow hierarchy needs" at political level.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Fuck that. It's never lost, it's just that we are constantly heading towards worse outcomes.

If we as humanity start taking it seriously tomorrow, it would still be a victory over only starting in a decade.

It's not lost, it's just getting worse, and that should make people want to fight.

saying that the fight is lost is just creating more disengagement and hopelessness.

I like the saying "The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the second best is today." Because it is almost universally true about any long term goal.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You are using the broadest possible definition of "lost."

Lost as in no more human civilization. It doesn't matter when you start doing stuff, that future is coming. We could maybe slow it at this point, but not much else and even that is up for debate with all the tipping points being reached. They will have a far greater effect on the climate than anything that we do now.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Human civilization is bound to die at some point. If we give up now it will just happen faster and with more suffering. If we fight we will still improve things, maybe not everything will be okay, but when has it ever been?

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago

I suppose it wasn't clear in my comment but I'm not advocating for doing nothing. Just to have realistic expectations about what is possible. If you sell everyone on reversing everything, and then fail, it will breed discontent further than being honest. That's all.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

There's also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn't mean that all life has to go with us

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 2 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

Even if we intentionally released as much co2 as we could all life on earth is not at risk. Remember that there's a fair amount of life that is virtually unchanged since the paleozoic period when all that co2 was in the air. Beyond that there's stuff that hangs out in volcanic vents, rapidly evolving life that can adapt even to rapid change, bacteria, molds, mosses and algae. And who knows maybe there's even a small adaptable mammal or 2 that gets out and evolves enough for a second attempt at sapience.

Don't get me wrong the climate disaster is truly a unique and devastating extinction event, but humans are not so powerful as to leave the earth a completely lifeless rock.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 points 24 minutes ago

So this is the meagre hope I cling to now. I guess it'll have to do.

[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 2 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

We kill 80 billion land animals per year for factory farming and we’ve caused almost 2 species of animal per year, every year, to go completely extinct over the last 500 years.

We are going to destroy almost all life on this planet.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Exactly. Fuck the humans, at this point I just want as much as else possible to be saved.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 2 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

But we're not starting tomorrow. It's not that we're clueless, we know what to do and why, but we don't.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Luigis for billionaires would be a great start.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

We are light years a head of where we were a century ago. And I hope in a few decades it will be true about today.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago

We have started to reduce how much worse we make it, and a fair bit of progress has been made there in some countries, UK carbon emissions are less than half what they were per capita several decades ago.

When I was young we had a fireplace and would often burn coal in winter. Now I have a heat pump to warm my entire house by extracting thermal energy from the atmosphere.

[–] NeedMoreLimes@lemmy.ca 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I think he's right, but he's also a real asshole and lives in a mansion in Vancouver and likely creates more environmental damage than the average human

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 hours ago

If I had mansion money I would buy land to live in a self built mud hut.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Let climate change end humanity, we fucking deserve it

[–] asg101@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is humanity is taking most of the other species in the world with it. Just the methane/permafrost feedback loop out of dozens of feedback loops will usher in the level of warming and ensuing extinctions experienced during the Permian/Triassic die off.

The ruling elite are incinerating all of us for profit, and they don't give a shit.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

It'll just be another chapter in Earth's history. We're not the first life form to have caused an extinction event due to radically changing Earth's atmosphere.

What it would prove to us, however, is that; despite our massive ego, we (humanity) are no better than, or more above the laws of nature than, those first single-celled organisms that radically changed Earth's atmosphere to one of oxygen. Yet monumentally less significant in our footprint.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Canada (and the world) will burn. You think migrants are a problem now? Wait until millions of people have no choice but to go north and the water wars start.

[–] huppakee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

O damn, almost forgot about the water wars. Those were brutal. Before those people genuinely believed there was nothing bigger than a World War. The fools. Like if you're still here in 2125.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The water wars will start far sooner than that

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Pakistan and India, Egypt and Ethiopia. Various states in the southwest are looking to pop off when the civil war starts up. Water wars are starting NOW.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Less people accept climate change in Canada today than 20 years ago. If we couldn’t do anything about it then, why would now be different?

[–] Mamdani_Da_Savior@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

That's how I feel, like it might not be too late to do something but people just don't care. And if we don't do this together its pointless.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 182 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Let's be clear about something; climate scientists almost universally agree that there is no such thing as "winning" or "losing" the fight against climate change (Suzuki, for the record, is a zoologist, not a climate scientist). This isn't a game, there's no referee, and no one gets a trophy at the end.

The battle against climate change is about mitigating harm. The worse we do, the more harm there will be. But there is never a point where it is "too late". The car is going to crash, but the sooner you hit the brakes, the less damaging the impact will be. Everything we do to push the needle will save lives. There is never a point where we get to throw up our hands and succumb to the comforting fantasy that it's "too late" to change anything.

I have a lot of respect for Suzuki, and I don't blame him for feeling defeated with everything that's happening, but spreading this kind of message is, dangerous, damaging, and flies entirely in the face of the science.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Too late" implies civilization collapse to me. That's pretty much guaranteed once the warming we're locked into happens.

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Saying we have failed is the easiest thing to say.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because its true?

Barely anything had been done these past decades and the result is that boat loads of people now believe conspiracy crap over the actual truth that climate change will milk us all

I fully expect that even less will be done in the next years so yeah, were screwed

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fight for climate change is not lost, it's still actively being fought by scientists, entrepreneurs, content creators, journalists and activists all over the planet.

Oil companies like this narrative of lost. It was always, don't worry we still have time until now when it's leaning towards "whoopsie too late". It's not too late, we are not all going to die because of climate change.

Right now climate change is on track to be horrible for large parts of the world but there's plenty more we can fuck up beyond that.

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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the focus on politics, economics, and law are all destined to fail because they are based around humans. They’re designed to guide humans, but we’ve left out the foundation of our existence, which is nature, clean air, pure water, rich soil, food, and sunlight. That’s the foundation of the way we live and, when we construct legal, economic and political systems, they have to be built around protecting those very things, but they’re not.

Powerful truth!

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[–] SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I try to stay postive but we're slowly burning and yet politics has never been so aggressively stupid about this. And the warlords dictating or culture too. I don't want this.

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