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Joplin is good, but I recently moved to Notesnook and honestly it's so much better.

As a fellow Canadian, yeah, I feel you. People are still acting like we're in a trade war, and not understanding how dangerously close we are to being Poland in 1939.

It's not a hypothetical, but it's also not responding to the specific premise of Popper's paradox.

You're basically doing the equivalent of saying "Some people get falsely accused of murder, therefore we should make murder legal."

People protesting against the government are not enaging in intolerant speech. It's that's simple. There's a clear cut rule that Popper lays out. You can say "Oh, but what if we decide to not follow that rule?" but then you've completely rejected the premise. That's no more useful than it is to suggest that democracy is bad because democracies sometimes become dictatorships. If your argument "X is bad if you do it badly" then you're always going to be right, but not in a way that's useful.

America is a fucking world wide joke now

No, this stopped being a joke quite some time ago. It's deadly serious, and the part that the rest of the world really can't understand is why so few of you are taking it seriously.

Probably not as well as the Edward Cullen Twilight dildo (NSFW, obviously)

The same way you objectively decide anything else in law. You apply the principles to the facts.

Your first example there is a gimme; clear and obvious example of antisemitic hate speech. The fact that they're protesting against Israeli genocide isn't some magic shield that protects people from criticism. You can protest against the actions of Isreal without declaring that Hitler was right.

The second one is a grey area. That's the thing; when you take a serious approach to the problems of the world, instead of fleeing to the simplicity of ideas like free speech absolutism, which require no degree of complex thought, you will inevitably run into grey areas. So I'm not going to give a hard answer on this one because I think it would take a lot of serious thought and debate to come up with a hard answer on it. But I will say that even if it was ruled as intolerant speech, nothing would be lost. You can protest against Isreal and stand up for Palestine without needing to celebrate the actions of Hamas. Those things are not intrinsically linked. So your examples do not demonstrate any kind of underlying flaw with Popper's principle. Nothing of value is lost if we as a society choose to say that these kinds of speech are unacceptable.

Why Neil Young? He literally pulled his music off Spotify because he was so pissed at them platforming Rogan. Dude's about as anti-Trump as you can get.

Also, basically same deal with Springsteen. Dude is very progressive and definitely not a Trump fan.

You're think you're disagreeing with me, but I want to be clear that you're advocating for exactly the same things I am.

Polls don't matter, but public opinion absolutely does. You can't organize a mass movement of resistance without a mass of people to organize. The fact that Trump's agenda is becoming increasingly unpopular is an opportunity for those organizing resistance to bring in more support.

But we're not required to evaluate the facts of the case based on what "some people" think. We can objectively examine the content of people's speech and ask whether it's intent is to advocate against the basic rights of a group of people or not. Criticising Isreal does not meet that test, despite what the ADL might claim.

Yes, there are grey areas. Yes, there are hard calls that have to be made. But saying "This is hard" and then throwing up your hands and resorting to free speech absolutism because you can't handle the difficult work of building a society is just childish.

This. Facebook is just an entry point.

This is exactly why organizing in small ways is so important. You need to get plugged in, get connected, get into the right people's contact lists, get onto the signal group chats. That's where you're going to hear about the stuff that's going down. Thats where you're going to get the chance to stand up and say "I can help with that"

This is good. This is an opportunity to talk to people about the destructive effects of Trump's agenda, and help them to really understand that he's not looking out for their interests. The more people get upset about what Trump is doing, the more chance there is to potentially stop it.

Approval always matters, even without democracy.

Democracy is just a managed, fairly agreed upon process for a governed people to exercise their will. But a governed people always have the ability to exercise their will. Authoritarian tactics can make that more difficult, but they cannot ever prevent it.

Remember, if there was nothing people could do to stop them, their propaganda would not be necessary. The fact that they are engaged in information control demonstrates that they do very much care about approval - or, at least, acceptance.