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[–] RuthBaderGonesburg@hexbear.net 16 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s the non GMO label for me

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago

Yeah I fucking hate them, I generally won't buy stuff with it out of principle.

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 29 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I saw fancy bottles water that said "Organic". I had to ask my science friend what non organic water is

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Water isn't organic. It's literally lava and ice is a rock. It cant be organic by definition.

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I honestly don't know enough science to tell if this is a joke or not.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It's not. I work with a dude with a geology degree and ice fits all the criteria for being a rock and therefore water is lava.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be a mineral, rather than a rock?

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 1 points 1 hour ago

So...from what I've gathered from my geologist co-worker is yes but unless the distinction is necessary minerals are just kinda referred to as rocks. A lot of things that are totally rocks aren't considered 'rocks' by geologists cause people were involved in their creation or alteration. Basically if its not worth studying they don't call it a rock. So while pavement is totally a rock, its not a TRUE rock

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Unless it's undergound, then it's magma

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

organic in the scientific sense (not the consumer product sense) means something is carbon-based (roughly, some exceptions exist). Generally think of the molecules that are essential to living and dead cells, tissues and organs. H20 is an inorganic compound, although many organic things often exist in non-distilled water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_compound

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inorganic_compound

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wow learn something new. So theoretically could organic water have carbon added? I wouldn't know the benefit

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

if you add something organic, like glucose, to water then technically the glass of sugar water is now "organic" because of the presence of the organic sugar. The H20 molecules themselves are still inorganic, but the organic glucose molecules are present and mixing around with them. It's technically a mixed compound with both organic and inorganic molecules.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/glucose#%3A%7E%3Atext=Glucose+is+an+organic+compound%2Cof+hydrogen%2C+carbon+and+oxygen.&text=It+was+first+discovered+by%2Ca+German+Scientist%2C+in+1747.&text=It+is+classified+as+a%2Calso+referred+to+as+dextrose.

As to your question, if you somehow altered the H20 molecules to include carbon in their molecular chain, they would cease to be water and would become something different. If you just add organic molecules into a mixture with water, then it's just a mixed compound.

[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

motor oil is non-organic water. yummy in my tummy

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 13 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Given the make up of motor oil, and that it is not a carbide, I would think it would be considered organic.

[–] 9to5@hexbear.net 12 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 4 points 11 hours ago

I was gonna do the same well akshually. I work 30 hours a week with a dude who has a geology degree and is a cook cause he doesn't wanna work for oil companies. I ask rock questions all the damn time. Water is actually not organic, oil is.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago

I figured, but I was also curious so I looked into it lol

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 2 points 14 hours ago

distilled water is non-organic water

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I used to work at a health food store and was once asked if we had "organic salt"...

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Health food store people are brutal. I worked in a kitchen with a pal doing the take away pre-made salads and sandwiches and I also handled the baked goods and the food questions we would be asked were fucking astounding. Sometimes down to asking if some certain arcane chemicals were present in a vegetable or fruit which when looked up turned out to be the pigments in tomatoes that make them red and shit like that. Like asking for veggies without cellulose or something. I got to hand away meat questions cause I don't eat it but im sure people were asking if their meat was mitochondria free.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

One of my favorites is the "healthy" brands of "organic" chicken that say hormone/antibiotic free and then with a little asterisk and in the corner "USDA regulations do not permit hormones or anti-biotics to be used in poultry".

Also I was once asked if we carry grass fed chicken lmao.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Pastured chicken, and organic... black truffle salt? It's a bit of a stretch.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 2 points 1 hour ago

Pasture raised chicken, are you sure all them bugs were raised "organic"?

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Can I get uhhhhhh some boneless water

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 20 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

...I don't get it? Glucose syrup is gluten free. Is there something I'm missing?

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (4 children)

~~"gluten free" is an overused marketing thing, they'll slap that label on anything even if it obviously couldn't have gluten in it~~ lots of replies have more informed takes on this than I do rat-salute-2

either that or the joke is they have to remind people that glucose and gluten are different things

[–] ArcRay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

"Gluten Free" is a regulated term in the US. One of the few that actually have to meet specific requirements. In this case its <20ppm.

A big problem is that there can be cross contamination. For instance, potato chips are naturally gluten free. But some seasonings may have gluten in them. If the manufacturer makes one with the contaminated seasoning and then immediately makes the "gluten free" chip, its very likely to not meet the 20 ppm requirement.

Doritos are an example of that. Even though the chips and the seasoning are gluten free, Frito Lay can't guarantee that they are gluten free and thus won't put the label on.

TBF, there are a lot of weird additives that have gluten in them that end up in foods you wouldn't expect.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 20 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

My wife has celiac and has to be extremely cautious about gluten bc like the other person said, a lot of things you’d think are safe actually can have gluten either bc they have little enough amount to escape having to mention it but still contain enough to harm someone who can literally have none of it, or there’s no regulation at all for that thing so they just don’t bother

A bigger issue really (for us at least) is when they say something is gluten free and does in fact include some amount

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 28 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm coming at this from a vegan perspective where you'll find an insane amount of products that are, vegan, but have like 1,2% milk powder added for what I assume is either filler or some tax loophole in select market since milk powder is dirt cheap and would usually be classified a dairy product. Doesn't seem out of the question there's lots of shit out there where they just huck in a sprinkling of gluten to save 2 cents per 1000 pcs or so

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yeah unfortunately happens a lot. I think caramel color for example often can, (but doesn’t always) contain gluten. I had bought some fries or something for my wife a while back that said they were gluten free but had caramel color and they ended up messing her up so I assume it had a certain amount that was below the mandated threshold

[–] Posadas@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

How many amerikkkans know glucose is sugar?

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If we're being honest with ourselves the answer is really probably about the same as for people from anywhere else in the imperial core — but I still think that "overapplying" Celiac labels is really just an example of good universal design, so I don't see what's worthy of mockery about it.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's usually the non-GMO labels that grind my gears. I've seen it on containers of Himalayan salt.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hah, implying the existence of "genetically modified crystals"? What is this, [Steven Universe / Land of the Lustrous / Friendship is Magic / why are there so many works of fiction depicting living crystals / I've never really thought about it before but it's a surprisingly common trope isn't it]?

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago

Steven Universe crystals are GLO's, Genetically Lesbian Organisms.

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 10 points 16 hours ago

Probably plenty? Because of diabetes. Or because they remember high school science/chemistry. Our education system sucks, and we suck at remembering shit, but there are some things a huge number of Americants remember because our system(s) forces us to.

Some are jokes at this point (Mitochondrion are the powerhouse of the cell), others are dangerous (Shit about the Slaving Fathers), others are just wrong ("Everyone" thought the world was small, because Columbus sucked at math). Sure average joe might not know what glucose exactly is, but even I sometimes mix it up.

I like mentioning chirality to people, but even I couldn't remember if dextrose WAS glucose or if it was an isomer the other day. The average American might have some trouble with THAT sentence, but thats because its been 20 years since they've had to think about chemistry.

Couple personal examples: We had a program about maple syrup, and the older (like 30+ older) understood me better when I said "carbohydrates, like sugar" versus just saying "carbohydrates". Neurons sometimes need to be reattached, but the ideas are still floating around our mixed up brain gunk.

Grandma and family knew what glucose was, because they actually were trying to not die from diabetes. They didn't understand the full complexity of shit like fructose, etc. But they did understand both are sugars and could spike their levels.

And honestly, good for companies putting what sweeteners they're using in bigger text. Having to dig into a giant block to figure out if this is "real" sugar, some crappy artificial shit, a decent artificial one, or stevia is fucking annoying.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 7 points 15 hours ago

im american and im dumb

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