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OK, next question: Let's say we do a 'recount' at this hour, assuming the evidence isn't already lost, what then?
Think he's going to go, ohh my bad?
Think he's going to leave willingly?
Think the court case will even be appropriately handled once it goes to the SCOTUS.
Think the SCOTUS will even hear it?
How is it 100 days later, we just now hear about this?
Last time he had to go the Capitol was stormed by terrorists.
I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn't be optimistic though.
Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I'm moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn't clear.
We can't undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive.
Best case scenarios aren't really on the table. Doesn't mean you stop fighting.
I can see how it looks like I'm saying that I'm not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn't a direct path to change.
Even a direct admission will not change anyone's mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy outs** for them to lie and say that's not how it is. In the end they're just going to lie and say that it's not real.
It'll be satisfying. It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn't **in itself going to drive the needle we're going to need more.
So wait a minute here guys, you're telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to 'find him some votes' in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get the EFF out of here!!
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
Nah it's liberal propaganda. Anyways let's storm the capital
You forgot the part where he said he didn't need your votes because he already won...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
Wasn't it the same guy that congratulated Elon Musk for his involvement in getting him elected? I don't know, must be fluke.
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
Same in Germany
Please don't say "the lib won" the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
Yeah, it's weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is "Fuck you, I've got mine" which isn't condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won't fit into his pocket.
always thought it suspicious there was soooo many reds when the final count was in.
To paraphrase Bush v Gore over negative votes in Florida after the SC sent the case to a lower court and it was appealed back to them
it’s been so long since the election that it would be unfair to change the outcome now
After HitlerPig's 2025 State of the Union speech, new Democratic senator Elissa Slotkin gave the Democratic response, and tried to sell the idea that millions of people in her state voted for her for Senator, but Trump for president.
This past weekend, Amy Klobuchar tried to sell that same fantasy on Meet The Press - that millions in her state voted for her, but also voted for HitlerPig.
I'm sure there are a few people who split their vote, but they have to be as rare as white squirrels. There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I've never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president. It sounds ridiculous when you actually say it.
I wonder if this is Musks "you wouldnt have won the election without me" quote.
Trump said months before the election that he's got it covered and he isn't worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.
I also strongly believe in their use of projecting as a preemptive defensive strategy.
They say "you cheated you cheated you cheated!" so we reply "you're nuts there's no evidence, it's all a conspiracy theory" so then they can cheat later on and turn it around on you when you go to investigate. "Oh now it's true because you lost? Yeah yeah yeah..."
They're always playing psychological warfare with the population... :(
I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.
Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?
Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn't consider it surprising. I wouldn't be surprised if it was rigged though.
I'm very much against conspiracy theories, especially concerning our elections which are administered by many many independent entities. I was very concerned as I watched electronic voting machines - especially without paper trails - become more and more popular over the past 30 years. Even more as the industry consolidated and it came down to a handful of private, for-profit manufacturers.
The thing I've read about that is keeping the door of conspiracy open in my mind is the "drop off" rate, which has to do with the number of "President only" ballots, where only the President is chosen, and no down ballot votes are cast.
Apparently Trump's ballots have an unusually high - like statistically unlikely - drop off. And it's either only in or mostly in/more pronounced in swing states.
Even Chris Titus picked it up (3 hrs total, sorry)
https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs - Part 1 https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0 - Part 2
So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.
On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn't stop there.
Felon practically admitted this last week.
The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?
This stuff has been going on for a loooong time:
Interview with Stephen Spoonamore on of the electronic voting issues that have been raised for a while now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQic
if you want to jump right to his explanation/comparison to his work with securing credit card transactions against "man in the middle" attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BRW3Bh8HQic#t=873
The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio's vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush's unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.
Additionally, the filing contains the contract signed between then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and Connell's company, GovTech Solutions. Also included that contract a graphic architectural map of the Secretary of State's election night server layout system.
Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney in the King Lincoln case, exchanged emails with IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Arnebeck asked Spoonamore whether or not SmarTech had the capability to "input data" and thus alter the results of Ohio's 2004 election. Spoonamore responded: "Yes. They would have had data input capacities. The system might have been set up to log which source generated the data but probably did not."
Spoonamore explained that "they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want."
Arnebeck specifically asked "Could this be done using whatever bypass techniques Connell developed for the web hosting function." Spoonamore replied "Yes."
Breakdown of why Electronic voting in general is incredibly insecure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
Documentary going into Clint Curtis's story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY
(the guy from this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Fractional Voting:
http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/
HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:
Why didn't the democrats demand hand recounts when the election was initially called? It felt like they all just rolled over and accepted defeat.