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Image is Israeli interceptors trying and failing to intercept missiles over their cities.


Israel just carried out a widespread bombing of Iran, which has killed a number of senior officials inside Iran (though it seems the leadership is more-or-less intact) as well as a number of civilians. Important facilities have been targeted, but the amount of damage is unknown so far (note that many important Iranian facilities are deep underground, making them both hard to damage but also hard to determine if they are damaged from just satellite imagery, so reports of damage will be he-said-she-said).

It appears the attack took Iran by surprise, given that a residential block was targeted that contained some senior officials - if one saw an attack coming, one would imagine they'd be in bunkers. Nonetheless, like the rest of the Resistance Axis, I suspect that Iran has adapted their military structures to be resistant to decapitation strikes by ensuring that replacement figures are ready to take the place of killed officials.

Iran has delivered a massive missile barrage in response to Israeli aggression, even though Israel is continuing to bomb Iran. Iran is now aware of the location of many important Israeli sites, including secret nuclear sites, due to their recent intelligence haul, giving them a distinct edge.


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https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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[–] companero@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I can't shake the feeling that Israel/US/Russia/China are all operating on the basis of super tight deadlines. It feels like they all believe WW3 is right around the corner, which means it probably is.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago (4 children)

A rumour flying around. Can not confirm, potentially untrue:

Hebrew media now confirms what we published hours ago.

Pakistan informed the United States that any nuclear attack on Iran would be met with a Pakistani nuclear attack on Israel.

Pakistan informed France and the United States that if any country directly intervenes in a war against Iran and Israel, the Pakistani army will enter the war against Israel on Iran's side.

It is definitely reported by some hebrew news. But I don't know whether I believe it.

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Haifa getting pummeled right now.

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

Very worrying Israeli airstrike in Iran: Israel either hit a refueling or transport aircraft parked on the runway in Mashhad Airport, Iran. The 747 appears to have been spared, for now. The fire next to it still might damage or destroy it.

Why is this worrying? Mashhad is deep in Eastern Iran, this is the longest range attack so far. The distance from Tel Aviv to Mashhad is 2330km, or 1450mi.

If Iran starts to lose control of the airspace in Eastern Iran, the ability for Iran to operate safely there will be comprimised.

Geolocation of the airstrike

Apparently Iran has 747 boom refueler aircraft, so that could explain it too

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Sources confirm that the Basij, Iran's paramilitary volunteers, have now been deployed in checkpoints in Tehran and other large cities. Netanyahu says Israel attacked Iran because Ayatollah Khamenei was planning to carry out another 'holocaust' on the Jewish people.

Tomorrow, in an urgent convention, the Iranian parliament will very likely vote to invoke Article 10 of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which allows signatories to withdraw from the treaty in case of extraordinary circumstances or threats to a nation's most vital interests.

Israel begins withdrawing forces from Gaza to reinforce the Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian fronts

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[–] insurgentrat@hexbear.net 66 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

So what the fuck did the Israeli government think was going to happen? Whatever the result this is going to be ruinous to both countries, they're just pounding each other.

You can't just eat city blocks being destroyed and continue. Populations get mad, building is easier at peace, soldiers want to help their families etc.

I mean ww2 showed that bombing campaigns don't win wars but they do beggar nations. Are they banking on a martial plan style bailout? The usa is not in the same position economically but I suppose the damage is relatively limited vs Europe.

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[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Anti-missile defense platforms reportedly hit. It really does feel like Israel bit off more than it could chew here. Power off across most of Haifa

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Crying and screaming as missile hits Israeli building

https://streamable.com/0gnpsk

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago (14 children)

NEW: US aircraft carrier USS Nimitz sails for the Middle East

Source: Channel 12

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Haifa is home to Israel's largest port, Israel's largest refinery, and is generally the most important industrial city in Israel. The majority of its domestically produced jet fuel comes from the BAZAN refinery in the port.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Iran just hit Tel Aviv.

Israel has vowed to blow up Iran's oil facilities in response.

The location of David's Sling sites in Tel Aviv has been exposed on international news.

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Not that public opinion means anything, but anecdotally I am not seeing any support for Israel among Americans from across the political spectrum. US boots on the ground is an obvious non-starter (and has been for a very long time), but idk, it’s possible that just significant materiel support could face strong backlash.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Al-Mayadeen: Israeli media: Power blackout in a number of regions as a result of Iranian missiles.

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[–] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Relatively small solidarity protests going on in multiple cities. Could really roll into something, but i am unsure of how big without a huge ignition, like ICE being caught brutalizing someone on camera.

If there is a "peak" to this current deal, its going to be this weekend, barring something wildly inflammatory happening. For 6 months into trumps presidency, its definitely something, and even if it fizzles out this time, its probably going to keep happening over time. Gonna be interesting times.

Edit: interestingly near me there is a way larger than I would expect protest in a pretty suburban area. It is heavily Hispanic, so makes sense, but also its Tuesday. It looks to be well over 1k people, and that is genuinely surprising. It might go pretty hard on the weekend.

The crowd looks to be families and very chill, of course it didnt stop the county pd from rolling out the riot gear. Death to America.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

The Cradle, quoting the Times of Israel:

Mossad operatives built drone base inside Iran, Israeli official reveals

Israel spent years laying the groundwork for an operation targeting Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure. Mossad operatives constructed a drone launch site near Tehran. These drones were activated overnight to strike surface-to-surface missile launchers directed at Israel.

Additionally, weapons-carrying vehicles were covertly brought into Iran.

These systems "took out" Iran’s air defenses, allowing Israeli aircraft to practice "supremacy and freedom of action" within Iranian airspace.

A third covert operation involved Mossad commandos placing precision missiles near anti-aircraft installations in central Iran.

The official says the operations were made possible by “groundbreaking thinking, bold planning and surgical operation of advanced technologies, special forces and agents operating in the heart of Iran while totally evading the eyes of local intelligence.”

I was wondering what Iran's version of the Lebanon pager attack + Nasrallah assassination was gonna be - Israel's big, flashy, opening move to a war that embarrasses their enemy and shows a major intelligence failure on their part. This seems like it might be it?

Though, to be fair to Iran, it seems like both countries are pretty highly infiltrated. Like, Israel can somehow covertly create a drone base near Tehran, while Iran can seize from Israel the greatest intelligence trove in decades that seems to have revealed their nuclear secrets and locations. Both countries seem to be bad at defense and good at offense in an intelligence sense.

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[–] jack@hexbear.net 65 points 1 month ago

Public unrest will certainly decline with a fresh and unprecedentedly disastrous war in the Middle East - those are always popular! And occupying all the major cities in the country with the military will definitely be easy when you're also getting into your messiest imperialist adventure yet 😏

[–] thirstyskyline@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago (6 children)

In response to the resolution against Iran, the Iranian Atomic Energy Agency announces the following immediate reliatory measures:

  1. Iran will significantly increase its enriched uranium production, opening up a third enrichment facility in a hardened and secure location.

  2. Iran will replace first generation IR-1 centrifuges at the underground Fordow facility with advanced IR-6 centrifuges.

  3. Iran will significantly reduce its cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, and may expel inspectors.

Source

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago (6 children)

David Hogg removed as Vice Chair of Democratic National Committee — Politico

David Hogg will not run again for his Democratic National Committee vice chairman position, he announced on Tuesday, amid a firestorm the 25-year-old activist sparked over his pledge to take on “ineffective” Democratic incumbents.

DNC members removed Hogg and Pennsylvania state Rep. Malcolm Kenyatta through a virtual vote on Wednesday night, stemming from a procedural complaint unrelated to Hogg’s primary activities.

"You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met the DNC either. Your ride's over, Gen Z. Time to die."

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[–] ziggurter@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Francesca Albanese calls for the militaries of U.N. member states to break the siege of Gaza:

This should not be on civilians to take risks on their life. There is an obligation on member states to stop the genocide. And if they don't see the genocide, they have to take all measures necessary to prevent it. Which includes two things, because this is the ICJ that has said it. The first is to make sure that humanitarian aid is delivered, and this is why I called upon member states to send their navies; their navies with humanitarian aid: food, medicine; everything that is needed. With their doctors, and their nurses, and tents; anything that can be used by the people in Gaza. And go with their own forces. This is time to break the siege, first and foremost. And while they are lagging behind—and I hope to see that from all Mediterranean ports, from Algeria, from Tunisia, from Egypt, from Libya, from Spain, from Italy, from France, everywhere. This is how you sort out such a mess.

But meanwhile, because member states will not do that, that quickly, or not all of them, it's upon individuals to try to do what the Madleen has done. And I keep on saying: people, this is very risky—this is very risky—so you need to be safe, and protected. So coordinate yourself with the flotilla coalition, because there are guidelines, there are protocols, and there are dos and don'ts in this mission....

Middle East Eye: "Prevent genocide or face consequence"' warns Francesca Albanese (YouTube, 25m video)

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[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 1 month ago (12 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago

Iranian Military X account now says "Operation True Promise III is now underway"

https://x.com/IRIran_Military/status/1933596397808312636

This is notable because these 2 waves were called "Operation Severe Punishment". So they are presumably referring to a different operation.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Al Jazeera

This was an extensive volley of ballistic missiles, something that Tel Aviv is not used to. Extensive damage was reported to buildings, but of course, because there was compliance with the instructions to head to shelters, to be in the safe rooms, the number of injuries among the residents was minimised.

For now, people have been told to stay close, but that they don’t have to be in shelters. Psychologically, though, the site of damaged buildings, of emergency service providers trying to get people out of those buildings and out of the shelters, this is quite powerful for the Israeli public.

Tel Aviv is thought of as the jewel, if you will, among the cities in Israel. It is politically and economically significant, and it is not used to this kind of military confrontation. The intensity of the fire, the number of missiles, the kind of explosions that they saw, the impacts, the effects on the buildings – this is new to the Israeli public.

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this is new to the Israeli public.

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[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago (30 children)

Armchair Warlord makes some pretty good analysis. Would like to hear @MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net on this.

TextD-Day update and thoughts on the ongoing Iran-Israel War - I was hoping it would be known as the One-Day War, but the sides seem to have resumed fire just now.⬇️

Items to discuss:

  1. Israeli assassination campaign

  2. Israeli air campaign

  3. Iranian missile campaign

  4. Israeli targeted killings

The Israelis kicked off their attack on Iran early yesterday morning (local time) with a series of targeted attacks aimed at assassinating senior leaders in the Iranian armed services as well as nuclear scientists. Alongside several scientists and Ali Shamkhani (a very prominent diplomat), three prominent figures in the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps were killed: General Hossein Salami, commander of the IRGC; Major General Mohammad Bagheri, Chief of the Iranian General Staff; and Major General Gholam-Ali Rashid, whom I've gathered was in charge of a joint forces command.

This move was likely counterproductive to Israeli strategic goals, to the point I suspect these men may have been set up to be killed. Allow me to explain.

For decades, Iran has followed an "aggressive proxy" strategy of confronting Israel under which they provided arms, technical know-how, and occasionally direct military support support to proxy forces positioned to directly attack Israel. This is why Lebanese Hezbollah, Ansar Allah in Yemen, and Baathist Syria received so much support from Iran. It's why Suuni Hamas got the same. The thinking was that these Iranian proxies would gradually wear down Israel while establishing a friendly maneuver corridor across Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon for the Iranian military to gloriously march on and reclaim Jerusalem from the hated enemy.

If this sounds like millenarian nonsense that's because it was - the odds of such a maneuver actually succeeding would be, in my professional judgment, approximately zero percent. With that being said, Iran in the '90s was a millenarian revolutionary garrison-state that had just spent a decade fighting Saddam and people in that kind of situation can make some genuinely insane plans.

The thing is that it's not the 1990s any more. It's the 2020s and Iran is an increasingly wealthy and industrialized country and the Iranian elite increasingly leery of an endless jihadist project against Israel they get no return on investment from. As such when push came to shove in the last two years we've seen a rapid transition away from direct confrontation with Israel and towards a strategy of defensive deterrence, with the Iranians abandoning proxies in Lebanon and Syria and striking back at Israel directly when their interests were threatened. Of course the Israelis have manifestly not been deterred yet, but that's what the present exchange of fire is about establishing.

And, well, the Israelis just killed three of the architects of that very IRGC-focused "forward proxy" strategy, who probably lobbied and would have continued to lobby in favor of a strategy that saw military resources poured into funding random terrorists instead of invested in the conventional military capabilities and economic development that could make Iran the preeminent power in the Middle East. And driving this home further, Bagheri's replacement as Chief of Staff is out of the regular Army - not the political IRGC.

Why do I think they could have been betrayed? Same reason I think Ismail Haniyeh got sold out - someone very powerful in the Iranian power structure wants to wind down the proxy strategy and they're not above using Mossad to solve their problems for them. As I pointed out earlier, the Iranians may not have known the exact details of the attack but they sure as hell knew enough to take cover.

  1. The Israeli air campaign

I pointed out last night that the Israelis didn't seem to be accomplishing much with their air campaign, and I stand by that assessment - the Iranians don't seem to have lost anything they couldn't afford to part with. Many Israeli attacks in the last day seem to have hit dirt, hardened facilities they could not successfully penetrate, or at best "soft" dual-use aboveground facilities. They manifestly failed to knock out Iran's hardened military nuclear facilities, missile forces, air defenses, or a decisive balance of their command and control nodes.

This goes back to the rope-a-dope remark I made earlier tonight - Iran's air defenses seem to have taken a 12-hour siesta at the start of the battle and only "woke up" as the sun set. When they came online, however, they did so all at once and in full force - to the point there were rumors of Israeli aircraft shot down and the IAF seems to have become markedly more circumspect with multiple reports late in the day of large strike packages assembling and then aborting.

The explanation making the rounds for this is that this was due to an Israeli cyberattack. I don't really think that's particularly plausible given the near-total lack of any air defense response for much of the day, without even much manual antiaircraft fire seen. I think it's rather more plausible that the Iranian air defenses were ordered to hold fire and remain in hide sites while the initial Israeli strikes went in.

Why would they do this? Because the Iranians could be reasonably confident those strikes would not fatally damage their hardened strategic infrastructure and those strikes - many of which would be directed at known or templated air defense positions those launchers and radars would not be occupying - would largely expend the IAF's limited inventory of standoff weapons. Lest we forget, the main combat mission of the IAF is milk runs to bomb Gaza, not complex SEAD. When the IAF transitioned to attempting to run aircraft directly into Iranian airspace late in the day to attack with conventional bombs the (still very intact) defenses deployed out of hiding and illuminated, immediately and drastically crimping the IAF's campaign plan given they were then faced with a largely intact air defense network their initial long-range strikes had failed to destroy. Ergo the "rope-a-dope" analogy: the Iranians sat down and waited as they took a beating - one they knew would exhaust their enemy worse than it would hurt them.

  1. The Iranian missile campaign

There's not much to say about this that I haven't already said in previous rounds of Iran-Israel skirmishing. The Iranians have ballistic missiles that can penetrate the Israeli missile shield, they have enough of them stockpiled that they don't seem to be in any immediate danger of running out, and this force was manifestly not destroyed nor even suppressed by Israeli attacks today. And as of today they've revealed a willingness to throw them at the heart of the Israeli state and its strategic infrastructure if sufficiently threatened.

Moreover we haven't even seen Iranian drones and cruise missiles launched yet, at least as far as I've been able to gather. Some from allied militias in Iraq, certainly, but nothing from Iran proper. You can bet the Iranians have an apocalyptic stockpile of these relatively cheap and simple weapons ready to launch at a time and place of their choosing.

Going forward? I hope there's a ceasefire soon, I think by now both sides have made their point and there's little purpose in continued fighting. The IRGC hardliners who would have agitated for a nuclear attack on Israel are dead or discredited, the Iranians have established they can eat Israel's worst and bounce back, and deterrence has been adequately established going in both directions.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago

An evergreen joke from 20+ years ago

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[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

lovehow two thirds of portlanders are the most pretentious bsky socdems you'll ever witness and the rest are the closest ppl to actual badass ancom sleeper cell operatives in the country lol

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Tehran is currently under constant Israeli bombings. Multiple targets being hit in wave after wave of Israeli bombings during the day.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Shahran Oil Depot in Tehran still burning at morning, after being struck overnight. The fumes from this will be horrible, anyone in Tehran should stay inside if at all possible.

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[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (10 children)

This latest strike seems have been far more successful than those prior. As their interceptor stocks dwindle subsequent strikes might be more successful still. There's been serious strikes against Iran since Friday. The longer this goes on the more it seems the Israelis seirously miscalculated. Not sure where they can go from here. False flag to draw in the Americans?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The US sends 21 refuelling tankers simultaneously to the middle east

https://i.imgur.com/UR2MeBI.png

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[–] Staines@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

After some consideration, I'm going to start referring to the gazan genocide as the Holotaphe.

Holo, from the Greek "whole". Taphe, from the Greek "burial", considering the number of bodies still entombed in the ruins.

Taph, in Hebrew, also means little children, considering the enormous number of dead children.

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[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's time to see what happens when war happens in a country in which a big portion of the population has dual citizenship or can easily just move to another country where a war isn't happening.

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[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Here is a collection of Operation True Promise III strike videos…

Large numbers of missiles coming in and striking Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/13/1426652.html

Zionist air defenses in Tel Aviv got directly hit (probably the radar unit, MUST SEE): https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/13/1426851.html

Blast wave from a strike in central Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/14/1427348.html

A strike outside a balcony in Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/13/1427156.html

More direct hits on Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/13/1426916.html

Another strike in Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/ukraine/2025/06/14/1427230.html

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The last bit is an excellent punchline. I actually laughed out loud.

NYT

The Israeli military said that rocket fire from Iran is continuing, stating that “another barrage of dozens of missiles was fired at Israel.” It said the sounds of explosions were from interceptions by the country’s air defenses.

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[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 63 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Two observations:

  1. It is necessary to control the doomerism because this is war. There will be defeats and victories and being a doomer seems to me more akin to someone wanting a fix of a drug you can get and only getting relief after seeing retaliation. This is not for dopamine seeking. This needs discipline, comrades.

  2. Once the smoke settles, how fucked is the situation? Is the US gonna join? France? UK?

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