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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

48 hours after the election there is now open talk of seperatism of Alberta. Because of a minority of albertans.

In an age where where there is precedence to hold sham referendums. Invade your neighbors with shadow armies under the guise of regional separatists. And ultimately annex territory.

The window for Canadian Crimean crisis is still very much open

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

A significant portion of the voters for conservative -- I'd hope most -- voted not conservative not because of fear and resentment, but because they believe in conservative fiscal policy.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Nope, you're 100% wrong. They voted conservative because the sign said conservative. That's it. That is literally all the reason. About 85% of the people I know voted conservative and when I ask them, it's fuck the liberals I'm voting conservative. That's literally all they think.

[–] Ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Conservative fiscal responsibility has always been a lie though. The voters are just not capable of fact checking it.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago (6 children)

All this would be solved if the left leaders would actually fix affordability. This is the only real reason I see so many voting right. Nobody can afford shit and they blame the left.

[–] Nemean_lion@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Dude it's human nature that's doing it. No government will ever fix affordability. Unless they clamp down totalitarian style, then companies will just not sell here. Left. Right, it doesn't fucking matter, prices are only going up because who is going to stop it?

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The Crown corp and modular homes seems like a pretty great way of adding a lot of affordable homes. I just hope the government lasts long enough for it to actually kick off. It's not perfect and it doesn't solve capitalism, but it will help if executed well.

If I were to bet, I'd say we'll see the effects just in time for an election, and cpc will take over and take the credit.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

The cost of homes is mostly land value, which is like 80%-90% in large cities. Because of sprawled zoning, bureaucracy, and greenbelt. Second biggest cost is taxes.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Houses are expensive even in bumfuck no where and the point of modular buildings and wartime measures is that it drops a large amount of the bureaucracy without compromising on quality like deregulating would.

I agree zoning and sprawl are problems though, there isn't as much the feds can do about it as it's more a provincial and municipal concern. The planned high speed rail (a Trudeau thing not a carney thing tbf) along the toronto-montreal corridor should help somewhat reduce the sprawl. As someone who lives an hour east of Toronto, I do wish it was planned to extend to me.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Problem is it's not the left's fault. The world is blaming the leaders but it's happening globally. The real problem is a few have all the wealth.

[–] jimd@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Capitalism, infinite greed and growth and the resulting wealth inequality. Unaffordablity is the inevitable conclusion of late stage capitalism

[–] eurisko@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

This right here. This principle is baked into its very core. We know exactly what to do to counter that. It's not rocket science: We need to do away with tricklenomics, and speculative economy and start taxing the ultrarich, and imposing limits to their reach.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Our left leaning leaders should update tax laws to address the growing wealth gap. And start building homes so average Canadians can afford a decent home in a decent location.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agree completely. Carney is a neoliberal and will not address this problem - I fear the next election people will be unhappy that their life still sucks due to late stage capitalism and vote in Cons out of some desire for change, and they will destroy our institutions like the Americans.

NDP need to step up with a real candidate that will challenge these systems of wealth extraction.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago

Sadly I think this could be the beginning of the end for the NDP. They struggled to fill Jack Laytons shoes and though Jagmeet was a less well received leader, I feel they will struggle to fill his shoes too. The Americanization of Canada has already begun.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

if the left leaders would actually fix affordability

I'm sorry; it's the sole responsibility of the left? Is their "we'll raise the tide a little and float all the boats" not as glamorous as the right's "first we'll cut taxes, bankrupt medical and transit, and then let someone else take it from there" plan?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

That's the key here - the Liberals under Trudeau waited too long to move on affordability, and then they didn't do enough. I hope Carney & co can show quick improvements in housing so the CPC is less attractive.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

It would help if we had some left leaders in the first place

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we don't do something about social media, disinformation, and voting reform, we will not have a Canada to protect after the next election.

It will be difficult to impossible to hold onto a country that nearly half the population would freely give away without a fight.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, the call to "do something" about social media will only result in renewed efforts to do the wrong thing, as the previous government attempted. Facebook will be made to behave slightly better at the cost of creating a new regulatory system that reinforces its power and makes Canada legally dangerous for fedi instances or other alternatives.

Go on Mr. Carney, please prove me wrong.

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (16 children)

We have 4 years to get canadians away from Twitter and Facebook to Mastodon and Friendica to reduce the amount of influence the oligarchs have on our comms.

Lets bring back the vote subsidy, limit the contribution limits to $100 a year, lower the voting age to 16 and pass proportional representation!

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (7 children)

lower the voting age to 16

I don't agree with this, mostly because that age range is perhaps the most influenced by social media and "misogynist male influencers".

They are too young to know better at that age, and to throw away their future because Joe Rogan or Andrew "The Rapist" Tate manipulated them is just not what this country needs.

But an overhaul of our election system is needed, and laws need to be made that protect people from the barrage of misinformation we are seeing more of every day.

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[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately, due to the piss-poor human condition, Canada - and every country on Earth that allows free speech - will go whatever direction the bots run by the nations that do NOT allow free speech want them to go. Anything else is a temporary reprieve.

Boy, I sure didn't see that coming. It's going to be very interesting seeing where such a path ends. Uncomfortable, likely, but interesting.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Totally. I was thinking about China the other day, how crazy they seemed for building the Great Firewall fifteen years ago. I felt sad for their citizens being cutoff from the internet. Now I'm sitting here looking in and I'm all like - fuck, this has been a major contributor to their sovereignty. Both in that this allowed their own strong digital economy to develop instead of getting hooked on American Big Tech, and in that it keeps the propaganda that's threatening us at bay. I'm not saying that censorship is amazing all around but just like you said, had they gone with free speech online, they'd be subject to whatever Big Social makes money from that day. It's crazy how the tables have turned from this perspective. I'm not optimistic that there's a solution that both keeps speech free and protects us from this problem.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Newspapers aren't allowed to print whatever they want, news networks can't straight up lie on TV, why are we obsessed with the idea that tech platforms need to be able to wash their hands of everything on their platform.

Maybe we don't need the web to be full of user submitted content. I remember the early Internet, it was way better than what we have today.

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[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think even worse than voting for fear and resentment, they voted for actual fascism. The guy openly stated that he was going to try to ignore Canadian rights and freedoms without any ambiguity. It's not like him twisting turning Canada into a 3rd world resource economy as a great boost to the economy, or that saving the 1% billions in taxes as a way for the average Canadian to save their money.

One of PP's mandates was to use the notwithstanding clause to bypass Canadian rights and freedoms to jail people without a trial. It was one of his platforms, and there was zero ambiguity that he intended to do it exactly as he stated.

The fact that this wasn't a red flag for over 40% of Canadians and an immediate reason to distance themselves from him, it honestly scares me. Because this is how Hitler and Mussolini came into power, along with many other of history's worst leaders. They sounded reasonable at first, with only one or two shady bits to their mandates, only for those shady bits to be the core that started the greatest evils in the world.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If people didn't get their butts out to vote, we'd have a conservative government right now.

There's been a huge increase in U.S. influenced right-wing extremism in Canada and it contributed to the increase in conservative seats in gouvernent.

Don't kid yourselves. Just because P.P. didn't get elected or the Conservatives didn't get a majority, it doesn't mean there isn't a rise of right-wing extremism in Canada.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

CBC demonstrated that several Canadian subreddits (which are toxic cesspits rife with divisieness) are run by Russian bots so it's not just US influence.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Oh wow. Do you still have a link? I'd like to read whatever they found.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They would have swept the election if they ran without a leader.

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