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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Democrats are literally controlled-opposition

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You do have to wonder if Republican voters are aware of what demographic controls Israel.

[–] Downpour@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fascists? Yeah I think they're pretty aware.

It's the same reason nazi's love isreal. It's a real ethno-state.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

MTG is just there for the lols. She was rich before she got elected and gotten even richer since. She’a there to pass out the matches and watch the world burn

[–] OnlyJabs@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

AOC is not a good representation of the democrats. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Gavin Newsom are better reps for the party. With the things AOC values, it feels she only identifies as Democrat in order to be on the Democrat ballot. AOC has been touring with Bernie. Bernie doesn’t even identify with the Democratic Party, but still came dangerously close (according to the Dems) to being the elect instead of Biden back in 2019-2020. The Democratic Party did not like that. The dems want to keep the working class down. The republicans want to squash the working class and more into submission.

I think the people that align with the Democratic Party were feeling a lot of this between late 2019 - mid 2020.

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (12 children)

AOC is progressive, not a neoliberal. Saying liberals want universal healthcare is a straight up LIE

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[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (8 children)

AOC and Bernie should just start their own party and drive the establishment democrats out if business.

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[–] Mouette@jlai.lu 20 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Yeah for sure AOC represent Democrats 😂😂😂. They are all behind her and sure will let her run for primary and win like they did with Bernie Sanders. LMAO

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[–] bigFab@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Not that republicans are way worse at it, but democrats do much more than a sufficient job when it comes to bombing arab countries. No one can compete with Obama bombs or genocide Joe.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (17 children)

And yet when the legislature arrives to give us free Healthcare the Democrats don't pass it despite having a majority.

Both sides aren't the same, but their choices produce the same results.

[–] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's always conveniently a cohort of Dems that vote against party lines. Every. Time. Then they can shrug and say "welp, we tried".

Two sides of the same capitalist shit sandwich.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And yet when the legislature arrives to give us free Healthcare the Democrats don’t pass it despite having a majority.

Obamacare saved my life and was the product of immense effort at a time when the Dems were more conservative than they are today. Blue Dogs were wiped out in 2010 and 2012 because of that (correct) rage against them.

You can say what the Dems managed to do was not enough - and it's not. Millions of people are not as lucky as me (though I suppose poverty is a strange kind of luck - poverty in a blue state, perhaps, more appropriately) and still suffer immensely under our utterly fucked healthcare system. But it's not the same result as doing nothing - or worse, handing control over to the GOP. Millions like me owe a greatly improved quality of life, or our very lives, to the reforms passed.

If you have a plan to destroy the Dems and replace them all with left-wing progressives, and put demo charges on the base of our utterly fucked rat's nest of a government structure, I'm not here to tell you not to. But I am here to tell you that both sides are not the same for millions of disadvantaged demographics, even if the Dems are not enough for those selfsame demographics.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That's really the one big thing I can think of that they did get through.

It got like 80mil people health insurance which was great.

It was still a huge compromise from the free universal healthcare that was the original goal.

It's worth noting that Obama did this by going around party leadership. Once he was in power he did not obey the DNC like other candidates have.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

MTG is far more welcome in her party than AOC is in hers.

The neoliberal DNC sees the Republicans as their esteemed opposition, as they are on the same take and have the same orders on Economic policy. They see spoilers like AOC, who are not on the corpo bribe train and for profound economic policy changes, as their enemy.

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/04/15/nancy-pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-481704

The Democrats, almost all of them save a couple of spoilers, aren't the fascists themselves, but they've spent the last half century enabling the fascists. The Democrats don't care about entire industries of confidence schemes murdering Americans like our deathcare industry, they don't care about poor kids getting a good education, and they dont care about millions of our most betrayed neighbors dying in the streets. As the bad cop Fascists brag about how much they love the schaudenfreude of the pain those people are in, the good cop neoliberals shrug "free market forces, sorry! But I do affirm your identity, homeless dying/lifesaving healthcare denied person!"

That's why there really isn't hope until we collapse, hopefully by our hands in revolution and not by oligarch made climate change in a couple decades. Best, best, best, best case scenario, we have a real election in 3. 5 years and the Neoliberals gain power, do NOTHING to reign in the oligarchs, income inequity, or our sociopathic, murderous capital markets as they're gleefully paid not to do. Fascism is the takeover of the state to serve big capital's need for ever moar, and so the table will remain set to go back on the fascist march in just another 4 years.

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