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[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 223 points 1 week ago (26 children)

I thought of a few stupid things, but everyone talking about kids made me think of this one.

I am strongly against Trickle down suffering.

"I put up with this terrible thing when I was your age, and even though we could stop it from happening to anyone, it's important that we make YOU suffer through it too."

Hazing, bullying, unfair labor laws, predatory banking and more. It's really just the "socially acceptable" cycle of abuse.

[–] phanto@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, and I take it this far: "I worked hard and paid for my house, why should some lazy loafer get housing for free? I paid 24,000$ in tuition, why should kids get free college?" I think that, at some point, one guy has to be the first guy to benefit from progress, and all the people who didn't benefit just have to suck it up. I would 100% pay a much higher tax rate if it meant that homelessness was gone, hunger was gone, kids got free education... I'm Canadian, so I don't need to say this about health care. Yeah, I paid an awful lot of mortgage, but if someone else gets a free house? Good!

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[–] ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 128 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Mine: Kids are pretty great, actually. They are smarter than you think and can make sense of a lot of stuff you wouldnt expect them to. You should treat their thoughts and feelings with the same respect that you would give an adult.

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[–] traches@sh.itjust.works 126 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Absolute free speech is overrated. You shouldn’t be able to just lie out your ass and call it news.

The fact that the only people who had any claim against Fox for telling the Big Lie was the fucking voting machine company over lost profits tells you everything you need to know about our country

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

While I'm tempted to agree, the big problem here is that if the government can decide that some speech is illegal, they can use that to silence people they don't like.

Obviously the system we've got now in the US isn't working, but we need to tread carefully when giving the government power to decide what is or isn't the "right beliefs".

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[–] CptHacke@lemm.ee 107 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I believe that the more wealth a person has, the more likely it is that they abused and harmed others to achieve that wealth. Therefore, the more wealthy a person is, the less I trust and respect them.

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 100 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Housing as an investment is wrong.

The price of basic human needs should not be tied to the rise and fall of the stock market, nor should ones retirement depend on the hyper inflated values of houses. 500K+ for a small house is absolute price gouging bullshit, regardless of location.

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[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 85 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Killing yourself is ok. You don't know what it's like to be them and be in their head.

I'll never do it. Even in darkest depths, but respect anyone's right to say peace out.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Being "proud" of your acheivements is fine.

Being "proud" of your country or your state or your football team that you're not a member of,or your ethnicity is douchebaggery.

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[–] reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 78 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The pay rate of the lowest paid worker of any company or institution should be somehow legally and directly tied to the pay rate of the highest paid executive.

If the executive wants to make more money and gets a raise, then so do the workers.

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[–] CybranM@feddit.nu 70 points 1 week ago (11 children)

That cats should remain indoors. Pet cats kill approximately 2.4 billion birds in the US alone, not to mention all the other animals that they also kill. I love cats as much as the next guy but keep them indoors for the love of nature

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[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Circumcision is multilation

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (15 children)

unpopular moral take: All religions are absurd cop outs and you should choose your own model for how to be a good person.

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[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 61 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It’s okay to call stupid people stupid to their face - them, their ideas, whatever it is that they’re doing dumb. In the U.S. we’ve gone too far over on the “tolerate all people and their views” which has allowed fascism and MAGAts to gain far too much power - putting idiots in their place is (or at least would have been) the best way put it back where it belongs.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The stock market should be illegal in all countries. Its basically a legalized gambling ponzii scheme.

Retirement also shouldn't be tied to this type of system.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 53 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Suicide shouldn't be illegal. If you've tried treatments and seen a therapist for years but just want out - you should be able to schedule a day to be put to sleep.

I think its immoral not to give people a dignified way out.

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[–] anon_most@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Open borders. I strongly believe in open borders as a moral imperative. Human beings have been migrating for survival, resources, and exploration for over 20,000 years. The concept of nation-states imposing constraints on movement is a modern invention that doesn't align with the inherent human need for freedom of mobility. People in the southwestern states of the US with Mexican roots will tell you "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us."

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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I think immigration laws are inherently a violation of universal human rights. What is a more basic expression of freedom and liberty than being able to choose where in the world to build your life?

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[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Stealing is OK, the ok-ness of the stealing is inversely proportional to the wealth of the person you steal from.

If you steal 100 dollars from someone who only has 1000 dollars, that's reprehensible, but if you can nick a few million off a billionaire fucking go for it.

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[–] FairycorePhoebe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 week ago (6 children)

There is no utility in punishment. Wanting people who wronged you to suffer isn't a desire for justice, but a desire for revenge. Dangerous people can be stopped from hurting others without locking them in cages or treating them poorly.

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[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (32 children)

I don't know if it's a moral per se, but I think nobody should be able to decline being an organ donor. It is an absolute and unforgivable waste to let bodies rot/burn when they could save someone. There is no reason, no good reason, to not be an organ donor. There is no good reason to be able, even after you're dead, to just let people needlessly die.

And religious reasons are even more moronic. What God, if you truly believe he's good and righteous and loving, would want you to let someone else die if you could save them? Why is your meat sack more important than somebody's life? Don't most people believe the soul leaves the body? It's just meat.

I've had countless arguments about this, but nobody has ever been able to give me a compelling reason as to why letting someone die to protect a corpse is right or just.

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[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's okay to tell billionaires to kill themselves

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago

Violence against oil company shareholders is justified defense of yourself and others. Starting with a face slap for small-time diversified 401k oil investors.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Death penalty is wrong. Also vengeance prison is wrong, VERY unpopular opinions. I can't tell you how many people will full on yell at you if you say this in public. I think rehab prison is what should happen for any prisoner that isn't in for murder one or rape, domestic abuse. Financial crimes? House arrest, monitored assets, no access to exploitable systems. Property crime? Make sure they have a legitimate job, parole, house arrest if serious, garnished wages. We could have the vast majority of prisoners on parole or house arrest and in treatment, or jobs programs and out prison population would be at a normal percentage compared to the rest of the world.

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[–] wattanao@fedia.io 40 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Being trans, gay, bi, black, or a different ethnicity than what is considered 'normal' in your society doesn't make you special, or less than human. I support trans rights and want to treat all humans equally on a base level. Assuming someone who looks or sounds like a woman is a woman is not transphobic, even if they are a trans man. Nor is assuming a man is straight homophobic.

At the same time, I think it's strange to introduce yourself as trans or gay in a public setting or on a social platform as if it's your calling card or occupation to be proud of. I was born with double-jointed thumbs, I don't think I should be congratulated or mocked for that, the same I don't think someone born with a man's body and a woman's brain, or otherwise decides to identify as a woman later in life, or is sexually attracted to either anything or nothing, should be given more than a passing acknowledgement.

I understand the world is cruel and harsh, and so I understand why there needs to be an LGBTQ community, but there -shouldn't- be one.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I think inheritance of money is bad. It seems to be some agreed upon good, you should leave money and assets to your children. But WTF? This drives inequality, generational wealth accumulates and so does generational poverty. I think the world would be better if it was more use it or lose it, and you couldn't pass it on like that. Or not so much at least.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Simply being family doesn't mean you get to remain in my life. Cut off anyone who is toxic or otherwise not good for your life and health. This includes parents.

After a decade it is still surprising to me how many people seem appalled by my no contact situation. I'm sorry, but I've wasted enough of my life on them and wishing for a fantasy dynamic that will never exist.

"But they're your blood..."

So what.

"But they're your family..."

No they're not. I made new family.

Some people have really judged me for this decision. I judge others as they complain about their toxic families they never do anything about.

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 39 points 1 week ago (10 children)
  • The illusion that we are "rational" has done more damage than good, and if we were to just embrace that emotions are not just real, but a stronger influence on people's behaviour (and therefore reality) than any facts, we might start getting somewhere as a species.
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[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The death penalty makes sense, but only for CEOs or politicians who knowingly make choices that result in the deaths of hundreds. The Boeing CEO should have been executed for knowing negligence that resulted in that string of crashes.

That's because there is much less of a chance of "getting the wrong person", since the buck has to stop there, the fish smells from the head, and it is the one situation where the value of deterrence trumps rehabilitation or other concerns.

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[–] Paper_Phrog@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (53 children)

Veganism. It's interesting to see how even seemingly very moral people throw logic out the door when the topic turns to not killing animals.

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[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Ideally children should be raised by more than two people.

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[–] sh00g@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe it is immoral to own more than one house.

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[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (11 children)

If you cannot cook yourself a basic meal (I'm talking boil water, dump a box of pasta in, cook it, strain it, then add red sauce from a jar level of basic), you have failed as a human being. An adult using the whole excuse of "I just can't cook" is pathetic and inexcusable unless you have genuine mental incapacities that prevent you from learning a basic recipe and how to use a stovetop, especially now with access to the internet/videos teaching how to cook.

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[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Polygamy should be legal. If three or more consenting adults want to commit to each other, who the hell cares? Same goes for relatives in sexual relationships who aren't having kids. Like why do we care who fucks who as long as everyone is capable of enthusiastic consent?

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[–] uuldika@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (11 children)

HRT should be available to trans kids. it seems I'm increasingly alone in this belief, depressingly, looking at the political situation around the world.

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago (17 children)

having kids is a right that should be earned. full assessment and parenthood training course required.

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[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I have to agree IP is against nature but there's not really any other way to route data over a network.

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (14 children)

I treat all people with religious beliefs as members of a dormant terrorist cell.

They could be your nice neighbor with whom you can interact normally on a day-to-day basis, but in the end they all have compromised against logic and, in the right conditions, that is a terrible liability.

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[–] UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago (57 children)

Eating and using animals when there is a plant-based alternative is wrong and should not be done.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think people should pay for software, including open source software. Don’t get me wrong, I love open source. I’ve probably spent multiple thousands of hours writing and maintaining open source software. That’s only because I have free time and like to do it. I’ve made $0 doing it, even though several companies use my software. If it started affecting my life negatively, I’d have to stop.

We pay for things like video games, but it’s incredibly difficult to make money in open source, even though the time investment can be just as much for the developers. I guess my point is, if there’s an open source project you like or you think is valuable, toss the devs a donation.

The model I like is free for personal use/paid for commercial use, but doing that in open source is practically impossible as a small dev. Big tech companies should be required to support the open source devs they rely on, imho.

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[–] gregs_gumption@lemm.ee 32 points 1 week ago (9 children)

If you count humans as animals then cocaine and clothing from companies like Temu and Shein aren't vegan.

Cocaine manufacturing and distribution is full of human exploitation and suffering. Using it should go against the vegan ethos of avoiding consumption of things that are the product of exploitation. Similar to honey, milk, or eggs.

Similarly, Shien and Temu make nearly all of their products using slave labor in terrible working conditions using dangerous chemicals without any precautions.

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[–] beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There is virtue in minding your own business. If it doesn't effect you directly you don't need an opinion on it and you certainly shouldn't share it or expect anyone who is effected to care what you think. You're a bad person if you support people who want to use force to control how other people live their lives. You're evil if you would use force to control how someone else lives their life.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Prostitution should be legalized everywhere. With regulation of course to ensure the protection of the workers and clients.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago (7 children)

A society's moral character is best judged by how it treats its least, not by how it treats the average, or median, or best.

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[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago

Freedom of religion is important and religions shouldnt receive special treatment

[–] Gabadabs@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Animals don't exist for us to use. They aren't ours. Outside of survival scenarios, it's wrong to eat animals or take things like milk or eggs from animals. It's fucked up.

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