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https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/trump-fentanyl-weapon-of-mass-destruction-executive-order-draft-scoop

Well this is absolutely frightening in so much that Trump is going to force his way into Canada via military operations by claiming fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.

Anyone remember the Bush Administration and WMDs they said were there but never were?

Elbows up Canuck’s. The time to prepare is most likely closer than we think.

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you want peace, prepare for war.

I'm not being facetious and I'm not joking, and I don't think he is either.

[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Should have acquired nukes. This is the message.

[–] rozcakj@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago
[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

suitcase nukes pretty easy to access for nations that have different friends than US.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago
[–] MyMotherIsAHamster@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those photos of WMDs? They were balls.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Hands down one of the best shows ever!!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

He's so far outside the box predictions don't work anymore. But food for thought; Americans associate drugs with Mexico far more than any other country. So this would be one hell of a head whip for the general public. Americans also still consider Canada one of our closest friends on the global stage. Many families in the North span the border. For that fact alone there's a very good chance that if he attacks Canada we'd shut this country down with protests and strikes.

On a rational predictable level he's already declared cartels to be terrorists and Venezuela to be a terrorist state. This is very likely another tool to pressure the Mexican government.

That said, I wouldn't trust us right now. We're like that friend who took too much cocaine and is hiding in the closet with a gun. Unpredictable and dangerous.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your optimism as to how the American people would react is cute, but likely not realistic. There's a huge chunk of Americans who voted for this, there's another huge chunk that didn't care to even bother voting. The thought that someone who couldn't be arsed to spend an hour popping in to vote, would get organized and take up arms -- especially on behalf of other people / principles / morals -- is a bit of a stretch.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Here's the thing. The way the American highway system works is it goes from city to city. And millions of people in the northern cities voted against him. We don't need to shut down the roads in the rural red areas. His Canadian state idea also wasn't a part of his campaign and many Americans still think it's nothing more than him being his normal blathering self. So we aren't seeing true opposition get captured in polling yet.

I agree that he's dangerous. And I don't know what we could do to stop him but I am absolutely sure the military would suffer high rates of desertion compared to orders to invade Panama, Mexico, or Venezuela. I am also sure that Congress would not use the war powers act to stop him in any invasion, nor would he listen to them if they did. So whatever has to happen is up to the people, and there are at least 80 million pissed off Americans right now. You're right that I can't guarantee anything on their behalf. I can only offer an inside perspective and my apologies.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 day ago

In the read out from the PCC meeting on Friday, it says the participating agencies “recognize the need for the United States to take strong action to counter this devastating situation, but these bureaus share significant policy concerns with the Executive Order as drafted.”

Those concerns include the fact that the EO “cites a statute that does not entail an authority to ‘designate’ substances as WMD,” concerns about “negative effects on entities that legitimately handle, ship, and deliver opioids for pharmaceutical purposes,” and acknowledges that “fentanyl can be treated as a chemical weapon when it is developed or used as a weapon…which risks muddying clearly defined roles and responsibilities between the counternarcotics, counterproliferation, and arms control communities.”

Trump has blown by just blurring the lines since he was sworn in. He's wiping them out completely.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago

I agree that this is just so he has reason to continue his attacks, I am guessing it will be aimed at Mexico but Canada needs to be ready.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump right now.

Can we just FFW to the end? Pretty please?

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone call Hans Blix, we gotta find them WMDs in Canada. Funny if they dont find any.

[–] pelgraine@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s interesting that this 2019 article shows this idea isn’t a new one - https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/21/politics/dhs-fentanyl-wmd/index.html

The fact that they were considering back then has me wondering if this apparently leaked draft EO might have actual substance to it, which is disturbing to say the least.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Mexican cartels and elements of the heroin trade have been known to use fentanyl as an additive to increase the potency of other illegal drugs.

He's already invoked the alien enemies act against Venezuelan cartels, effectively declaring war on Venezuela. He's setting up a shooting war in Central America.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, he did not effectively declare war on Venezuela, which is exactly why his use of the act was immediately blocked by courts. He's trying to use a law designed for times of war without actually being in a war with the people he wants to target.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That war is how he is going to solve the economic crisis resulting from hia isolationist tariffs.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

First as tragedy, then as farce

[–] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

If this goes forward, we have to pay close atention. This certainly is looking for two goals, short and long term. Short is Canada and Mexico. Long term is China

[–] IslandLife@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, www.thehandbasket.co seems like a reputable, reliable source. /s

The Handbasket is run by Marisa Kabas who is a well respected independent journalist who has broken several stories about rumoured Trump EOs that turned out to be accurate.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

this will stop it, of course! I declare it done!!!!!!

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

I used to order a powered reascearch chemical dmt into the states legally. There are no laws banning it. But i wont anymore since theres no telling what could happen now. Any white powered could land me into so much trouble.

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