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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 hour ago

Trump's unreasonable nature is so obvious in the full video that I don't see how anyone with two braincells can be on his side. Some highlights I want to share:

Reporter asks at 37:39 "… and who would protect those minerals … ?" Trump: "They'll be protected. The agreement will protect them. The agreement, yeah we're signing an agreement." Reporter: "Right but what if Russia tries to invade or there's russian agression in those spots." Trump: "I just don't think that's going to happen." He then deflects by trying to discredit the reporter since he couldn't answer the question. So instead of giving Ukraine any guarantees or acknowledging Russia's previous deceit, he hand waves it away.

At 33:45 "… what did [Putin] tell you that he wanted peace?". Trump: "My whole life is deals … I've known him for a long time, he had to suffer through the Russia hoax, you know Russia Russia Russia it was a hoax. It was all Biden it was nothing to do with him … I think that he wants to make a deal and he would like to see it end." What an absolute nothing answer. He's asked why he believes this is viable and after a short attempt at making Russia the victim he just says, rephrased, "because, lol".

At 39:50 Vance goes on a truly incoherent ramble about how Biden tried "thumping [his] chest and pretending that the president of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States's actions" and thus "the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe in engaging in diplomacy". Ah, diplomacy, the path that is famously known for it's lack of words... sending money to Ukraine or providing military aid? Those aren't actions, they're just words. Zelensky goes on to ELI5 to Vance how Putin broke diplomacy before the clips everyone is posting begins.

And just for fun, at 30:15 Trump delivers a line so stupid it almost breaks Zelensky's poker face: "I've stopped wars, I've stopped many wars. My people will tell you, I've stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. … I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war — I could tell you right now there is a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about."

This is ignoring all the times they try and blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine which just ???

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 3 points 54 minutes ago
[–] arc@lemm.ee 19 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The stupid part is that Trump / Vance made themselves look like assholes. Zelensky was over to sign a deal and they threw him out for disagreeing with their dumb talking points. And far from making America "great", I expect that Canada, Europe, UK, Australia, Japan, South Korea etc has collectively decided that they need to reduce their dependence on America while these malignant narcissists are in charge.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

while these malignant narcissists are in charge.

Not just then. Even if a standard quo administration magically appeared right now, it has been proven the the US can turn into a fascist dictatorship on a dime. It's an extremely unstable country and should be kept at arm's length as long as it has the current system of government, no matter who's in charge.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Their first, still very polite disagreement that evening was when Trump said that the US has given a lot more aid than Europe did, to which Zelensky very politely replies 'they gave a lot', clearly avoiding the obvious 'they gave more', to which Trump then replies 'they gave a lot, but much less than we did', to which Zelensky replies with a clear 'no.' and then they laugh. You could argue that Zelensky does not need to do that, but he gives credit where credit is due to the Europeans, and he doesn't let a blatant lie about an ally slide. It's the type of moment that's beautiful and horrendous at the same time. Source: https://youtu.be/CSe0ntgfpq4?t=726

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 points 33 minutes ago

I finde it borderline insane that not more people just tell the fat fuck no when he just lies.

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago
[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 17 points 3 hours ago

i like how jd kept flubbing his lines. I HAVE BEEN TO... I HAVE SEEN REPORTS ON TV ABOUT STUFF

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

For people curious, here's a complete video. I skimmed through it and it looks like it starts to really devolve a bit after 40 minutes.

[–] pebbles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 35 minutes ago

Yeah I watched the whole thing, it gets really repetitive on the American side near the end. Zeleski is trying to talk but Trump and Vance keep saying "We are special, everything will work out, be greatful, say thanks"

[–] Arda1@lemmy.world 43 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Most pathetic behavior from nation leaders i have ever seen, how Trump and Vance even talk is unbearable, its like watching the Boys in actual real life unbelievable. It would be funny if the world wasnt at stake

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[–] ReasonableHat@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago
[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well, we're going to have to make friends with Iran to make our membership in the Axis of Evil official.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Now I can think of a lot of places more evil than Iran. Like our good ally and Iran's enemy Israel

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

A woman wearing a headscarf is clearly worse than a genocide on women and children.

[–] MyNameIsFUElonTrump@lemmy.world 28 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Eat shit, Pumpkin Tits.

You too, couch fucker.

[–] ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Seriously, Trump didn't kill diplomacy, it lives because everyone else still has it. If anyone knows anything about US history they would know that refusing to "make a deal" with the US is the best possible outcome. That's all I looked for in this article. Please tell me the natives did not actually trust cpt fucking cook...

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 50 points 7 hours ago
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