Once Servo is finished, we might have a browser rennaisance (I hope)
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2025
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That would be nice. I know lately I've been playing around with gopher sites with command line browsers. It's been fun seeing what others have made.
The main issue I have right now: the jurisdiction of this is in the US, and to be honest, I don’t trust the US that much when it comes to privacy laws regarding the (near) future.
the EU wants backdoors to encryptions, so eu not any better.
It certainly is the lesser evil though.
what r they gonna do if it's open source and doesn't collect data. worry more about ur OS
I’m not naive enough anymore for this kind of trust.
I donate to Ladybird and Servo, and I hope they succeed. We need serious competition and a check on Mozilla (not to mention Chrome and Safari).
That said, I'm sad that neither Ladybird or Servo are licensed under strong copyleft licenses. We need user-oriented browsers now more than ever, and strong copyleft enables that. I worry that, even if these engines are successful, they will be co-opted by proprietary browsers and eventually superseded by them.
This happened before - both Chrome and Safari ultimately derive from KHTML, Konqueror's browser engine. If KHTML had been licnesed under the GPL instead of the LGPL, Chrome and Safari (and not just their engines) may have been free software today. Or, at the very least, it would have been much more difficult for Apple and Google to get started.
That said, I wish Ladybird the best. There donation = no influence policy is excellent, and I really, really hope they can stick to it in the long term.
No.
If khtml had been GPL, it simply never would have been used for chrome or safari, some other engine would have been picked.
Anything but real open source for these types of companies
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crying in decentralization efforts
I’m with you. I install Legcord now so that I don’t have to install that shitty application on my actual computer. I highly recommend it for those communities that refuse to use anything else!
I use it in a browser tab because I refuse to have them snoop around on my running processes.
You don't have to install anything. It's a website. I don't understand why people install the app (or any app that is a website in a wrapper).
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The Discord-based "support" makes it a "meh." The main devs alt-right BS makes it a "hard pass."
Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.
As long as it's FOSS and doesn't inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.
I agree it's not great and I'd prefer if it weren't made by imbeciles
Tankies are annoying, but they're not on the same level as fascists.
TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, "Kills people because they have a different opinion.", "Suppresses minorities.", etc.
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Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.
It's the worst.
I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I'm lonely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don't know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!
Why always discord.... Why!!!!
because a turn key platform they don’t have to self host and maintain frees them up to do the work.
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To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.
Alright, read up on it a bit more. Sadly the language choices (C++ now, maybe Swift later) rubs me the wrong way for something that needs to be incredibly secure against attacks. I really really support additional browser engines, but likely not this one.
Thus I think Servo is a better choice for those looking to contribute. IMHO.
Quite happy to see Servo coming along again. I am still excited for Ladybird and it seems more likely to deliver a truly viable browser sooner.
I am not a Swift dev but I think it has decent memory safety as well. I think it is one of the reasons Ladybird is moving to it. They evaluated Rust and decided it lacked the OOP features they needed.
The C++ that Ladybird writes is also very good. They have their own standard library (written for SerenityOS) which is very modern including memory safety and security. Still C++ though of course.
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