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[–] kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

The main issue I have right now: the jurisdiction of this is in the US, and to be honest, I don’t trust the US that much when it comes to privacy laws regarding the (near) future.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 7 minutes ago

the EU wants backdoors to encryptions, so eu not any better.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 7 hours ago

what r they gonna do if it's open source and doesn't collect data. worry more about ur OS

[–] ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml 50 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (10 children)

I donate to Ladybird and Servo, and I hope they succeed. We need serious competition and a check on Mozilla (not to mention Chrome and Safari).

That said, I'm sad that neither Ladybird or Servo are licensed under strong copyleft licenses. We need user-oriented browsers now more than ever, and strong copyleft enables that. I worry that, even if these engines are successful, they will be co-opted by proprietary browsers and eventually superseded by them.

This happened before - both Chrome and Safari ultimately derive from KHTML, Konqueror's browser engine. If KHTML had been licnesed under the GPL instead of the LGPL, Chrome and Safari (and not just their engines) may have been free software today. Or, at the very least, it would have been much more difficult for Apple and Google to get started.

That said, I wish Ladybird the best. There donation = no influence policy is excellent, and I really, really hope they can stick to it in the long term.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No.

If khtml had been GPL, it simply never would have been used for chrome or safari, some other engine would have been picked.

Anything but real open source for these types of companies

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[–] troed@fedia.io 300 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

Join our Discord server

crying in decentralization efforts

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I’m with you. I install Legcord now so that I don’t have to install that shitty application on my actual computer. I highly recommend it for those communities that refuse to use anything else!

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

You don't have to install anything. It's a website. I don't understand why people install the app (or any app that is a website in a wrapper).

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 0 points 6 hours ago

Might want to look into Legcord, because it is definitely more than just a wrapper, friend.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

The Discord-based "support" makes it a "meh." The main devs alt-right BS makes it a "hard pass."

[–] Imhotep@lemmy.world 61 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.

As long as it's FOSS and doesn't inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.

I agree it's not great and I'd prefer if it weren't made by imbeciles

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Tankies are annoying, but they're not on the same level as fascists.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 34 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (6 children)

TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.

Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, "Kills people because they have a different opinion.", "Suppresses minorities.", etc.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Both facists and tankies have genocided disabled people and selectively killed anarchists.

As a disabled anarchist, they end up seeming pretty similar to me.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I've recently been reading some anarchist texts (Emma Goldman, Kropotkin...), and I really like a lot of their ideas. Love the way Kropotkin writes too.

However (and to be clear, I'm sure I've barely scratched the surface), the past decade or two has had a profound effect on my opinion of people in general, and their ability (and/or desire) to organize and self-regulate at such a scale. As such, anarchism just does not seem like a viable solution in the modern world.

As we've seen, even with our relatively structured, centralized, government, so much of it was just so easily steamrolled by a handful of bad actors. Our "checks and balances" turned out to just be empty words.

If anything, the past couple of decades has made it abundantly clear to me that what we need is a strong federal government where nothing is based on good faith, or social norms, but actual rule of law. No, it shouldn't be optional to release your financials. No, you should not be able to just ignore it when your chode son-in-law's security clearance is denied like a dozen times. No, you don't get to just do whatever the fuck you want because you were elected President.

How do we stop that without some kind of centralized government?

And yes, I understand the dangers here... But it could be done right. South Korea seems to know how to deal with coup attempts. Same with Brazil...

[–] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

As a disabled non-anarchist, fuck both parties

[–] vaionko@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 hours ago

As a non-disabled non-anarchist, yeah fuck them

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 162 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Hell, even worse, crying in the lost information. Discord is a black hole where community knowledge goes to die.

It's the worst.

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 55 points 19 hours ago

I hate it so much, even when I NEED to go there for help and support, I know I'm lonely the tenth person to ask the same question. I honestly don't know why so many people love this way of support, just document it!

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 39 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Why always discord.... Why!!!!

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 9 points 14 hours ago

because a turn key platform they don’t have to self host and maintain frees them up to do the work.

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[–] the_q@lemm.ee 54 points 18 hours ago

To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.

[–] troed@fedia.io 13 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Alright, read up on it a bit more. Sadly the language choices (C++ now, maybe Swift later) rubs me the wrong way for something that needs to be incredibly secure against attacks. I really really support additional browser engines, but likely not this one.

Thus I think Servo is a better choice for those looking to contribute. IMHO.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 15 points 14 hours ago

Quite happy to see Servo coming along again. I am still excited for Ladybird and it seems more likely to deliver a truly viable browser sooner.

I am not a Swift dev but I think it has decent memory safety as well. I think it is one of the reasons Ladybird is moving to it. They evaluated Rust and decided it lacked the OOP features they needed.

The C++ that Ladybird writes is also very good. They have their own standard library (written for SerenityOS) which is very modern including memory safety and security. Still C++ though of course.

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