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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/22392872

The word futa or futanari is a term I unfortunately see used against trans women and actual intersex people. It is a term which originated in porn and anime to describe someone with both types of genitals, usually though it just refers to someone who looks feminine and has a penis. So it's no surprise it's very often used to describe non-op trans women primarily. Because it's often used in porn it carries strong connotations of sexualization and dehumanization, it reduces the person being called futa to an object of sexual desire and doesn't respect them as a person.

This term is extremely disrespectful and really has no place being used, especially in reference to trans women. Additionally because of its relation to porn people who use it will almost certainly be seen as chasers.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Isn't a slur a term used in a derogatory sense? Intentions mean everything. If the intention is to try and define, they can be corrected. If the intention is to shame or ridicule one's existence, it is a slur.

Anyone that uses 'futa' to describe a trans woman is very poorly informed.

[–] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

what makes something a slur is the history of violence behind it and the systemic backing it receives in the present for said violence. having good intentions doesn't stop words being harmful

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Personally we have a hard time seeing it as a slur on the level as other ones used for queer or trans people, though feel free to clarify on this.

However, it is absolutely wrong both morally/ethically and scientifically most of the time and it bothers us to no end, because for most people it just doesn't fit the lived reality or if it does we apologise but it is absolutely fetishising those of us who are trans femme and/or intersex and that therein we feel lays the crux of the problem — fetishisation.

Those who are trans femme and/or are intersex do not exist just for others to get off to.

We also notice it is a problem in a misogynstic sense too as porn artists choose to do it in some cases to characters who have certain gentials in canon and are fine with those genitals but the artists do not think that those people, especially those presenting as femme, can have those genitals and be powerful or in wlw relationships or relationships with femme presenting people, other people with those same genitals or perhaps just in general if they are strong, not submissive or confident in some way.

Please let us know if anything we have said here isn't understandable or crosses some line.

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I'm not saying it is on the same level, just that it's a slur, it is used to objectify and dehumanize trans people, usually trans women, by reducing them to their genitals and a sexualized stereotype. So while it isn't the same level as tr*nny or f*ggot or groomer, it's still very bad in a different way.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gotta escape those asterisks with a \

Aaah I wish there were fancy pants editor in Lemmy like they added in Reddit. I always forget those funny markdown things and end up messing up my comments and need to edit them later.

[–] SquishedFly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait tr*nny is a slur...? Why?

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SquishedFly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Huh... Some friends have been calling me tranny granny for a while now...

Maybe they don't know how bad it is or maybe they think slurs are funny and edgy.

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

We understand now, we're going to process this. Thanks for clarifying!

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why are you speaking in the plural? Who else are you speaking for?

[–] oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We are plural as it says on our profile.

[–] SquishedFly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Probably a hot take but I disagree, it's the same issue as the whole "trap is a slur" situation that I also disagree with.

The issue is that, if the word is used against a trans woman without bottom surgery, it's a term that might not fit or be appropriate. With trap, it's just straight up misgendering, but it might fit someone who still identifies as male. With futa, (if I underatand your point) it might carry a lot of sexual meaning with it which could be inappropriate.

It's an issue with "who uses the word to describe who", and therefore isn't in my eyes a slur.

Edit: clarification

[–] FirstMajesticComet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When one is using it on themselves like you describe it is a form of reclamation. Same goes with trap.

Though I disagree with you and find "trap" to be uber offensive even as someone who is also a femboy, because it implies I pretend to be a woman to trick people, really gross.

You are spot on that these words are mainly offensive when used against people pejoratively, in that context they absolutely are slurs.

[–] SquishedFly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it implies I pretend to be a woman to trick people, really gross.

Best argument I've heard as to why it's a slur. Honestly thank you.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The term is rooted from "entrampment" referencing a legal defense where straight cis men would seek a lesser charge than murder because the victim "tricked" them into being into the situation.

The trans panic defense is a closely related legal strategy applied in cases of assault or murder of a transgender individual whom the assailant(s) had engaged with, or were close to engaging with, in sexual relations, and claim to have been unaware that the victim was transgender, producing in the attacker an alleged trans panic reaction. In most cases, the violence or murder is perpetrated by a heterosexual man against a heterosexual trans woman.

Oh my god, that makes it even worse, WTF? Seriously how can femboys want to call themselves something that has such an awful connotation to it.