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People are storming the streets and town halls, Elon is dissolving the whole country and Trump is busy tending Putin's toes. Where the fuck are the democrats in all this crisis? It feels AOC is doing all the heavylifting while all the rest of them smug bunch are just watching with "told ya dis was gunn happen" drawn on their face.

Please tell me my ignorant ass is just blatantly wrong because I ain't getting any news.

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[–] jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not owning a branch of government has never stopped republicans. They would rather get dragged out kicking and screaming. Democratic politicians have largely abandoned their voting base and claim their hands are tied and there's nothing they can do, because they are too used to being able to just skate on through without much experience fighting from a disadvantage.

They can do things like organizing their voter base to fight back in constructive ways and pass local legislation, unify the party on voting for certain politicians, inform their voters about special elections, bills and places they can help out, push a more populist and or progressive agenda, and stop fucking abandoning and lying to their own voter base. They need to be willing to physically lead their constituents

Republicans are so cohesively brainwashed because the republicans have been targeting media and disinformation for decades. They organize extremely well at the local level, and are willing to do almost anything for power.

The democrats need to show equal fervor for defending democracy and they've just been cowards so far, telling people to just vote and tell their family to vote democrats, essentially telling us, "we cant do anything so its your problem and responsibility now"

ETA: democrats had 4 years to plan and time to come up with a response to Project 2025. Its weird to me everyone just took "oh its not trumps plan" at face value.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're busy with strongly worded letters, no doubt.

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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I was actually thinking about this. What if Trump is just a Martin shkreli

Hear me out. The board of directors for pharma used Martin as a Patsy to do something illegal. Martin takes the heat while the board reaps the benefits and they throw Martin to the Sharks.

What if this whole thing was all an act and they're all using trump as a power grab. He's tearing it all down and it benefits all of them, Democrat and Republican. When trump leaves, there will be so much power given to the owner class in the country while regulation and oversight is not what it was.

[–] payhn@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is essentially what trump is doing with musk. He's going to"fire" musk as soon as he's done enough damage then go back to claiming he's making America great by rehiring people to replace the ones musk is firing. Only the replacements won't be as competent then leave the crippled departments to the Dems and republicans will say "look at how poorly the Dems are running the place"

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I think it's the other way around. Rich people like Musk helped trump reach the white house. Now they're making him do their bidding. Trump isn't the master like his base thinks. He's a puppet for the rich.

[–] hitstun@fedia.io 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If the Democrats had any guts, they'd revolt against their leadership and re-organize into a new far more aggressive left-leaning party. But they don't have any guts, so that won't happen. Maybe the new DNC chair can channel our anger into change?

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

they'd revolt against their leadership and re-organize into a new far more aggressive left-leaning party

This is literally what we've been trying to do through primaries that no one will show up to. We can talk about the need for a progressive party all we want, but a good chunk of the reason the Democrats are the way they are is because centrist Democrats show up to vote in the primaries. Progressives do not.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Democrats have shown time and time again that they don't give a shit what voters think which is why they keep losing elections. Biden and Harris wouldn't even turn their back on Netanyahu even when it meant Trump would get reelected as all tbe polling showed. Progressives don't bother with it because they'll be ignored either way and you can only be ignored so many times before giving up on them listening. Blaming the voters for the actions of the party is just giving them cover for their ineptitude. Voters don't decide their policy.

At this point they do little else than act as controlled opposition for the Republican party, so this is just our reality for the foreseeable future. Maybe if the leadership gets ousted, we'll have a chance but it looks more like a new party will need to be formed and the Democrats go the way of the Whigs.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 week ago

And progressives have shown they won't show up to contest and defend elections outside of a few seats. They won't invest in downballot races in case they lose the main race.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Progressives don't bother with it because they'll be ignored either way and you can only be ignored so many times before giving up on them listening.

Unless your contention is that the DNC has literally been changing/destroying primary votes, we simply have never shown up in the numbers needed to make the necessary changes in leadership. "Centrists" have, and they continue to do so. Sitting out does absolutely nothing to advance progressive causes inside or outside of the party.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 4 points 1 week ago

As if voter turnout is the end-all-be-all metric for determining what people want. The DNC got up to quite a bit of fuckery in both 2016 and 2024. They had no issue sidelining Bernie from debates and news coverage, creating super delegates, and just plainly putting their thumb on the scales. In 2024, we didn't even get a primary because old Joe went back on his "one term" promise and ran against every sane person's advice, dropped out, and then a new equally unappealing candidate was hand picked for us. Who gives a shit what most centrists want when it's clear that all they're doing is choosing the "safe bet." It's no different from the person whose favorite music is whatever they're currently playing on the radio. These people aren't choosing anything. They're just doing what they're told.

Sitting out does absolutely nothing to advance progressive causes inside or outside of the party.

So does losing election after election because the DNC keeps backing the absolute worst candidates.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Reorganizing. That'll stop Trump!

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[–] FunkFakin420@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Isn't the better question, what can they do? I'm not saying Democrats aren't without fault in all of this, but now that the US has jumped the democracy shark, I'm not sure there's much anyone can do to put this shitty little genie back in the bottle. Short of House and Senate republicans having a coming to Jesus moment, I think we're all on board the autocracy train for the duration.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Democrats only have the power that you give them. When Trump lost an election, his followers ransacked the Capital. When Pelosi opposed Republicans, her husband got his face smashed in.

What exactly do you expect AOC to do?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Start organizing. Which she, at least, is.

The neolibs?

Lol.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Organizing what? She did as much as humanly possible in the last election but the country voted for Trump.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social -2 points 1 week ago

Oh wow, a slight majority voted against neoliberalism.

Better bend over and take it forever.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean, they DID tell you dis was gunn happen. Twice.

Spent four years drilling "but her emails" into your thick skulls and then you did it again because egg prizes or Gaza or Cheney or whatever.

Takes balls to sit out the rise of fascism, but let's be honest, it's not undeserved.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Biden DID say he was not going to run a 2nd time. Biden broke many promises, gaslit voters on Gaza, and was a televised corpse at the debate. trump is fucking terrible but Biden slow walked it back to trump by not giving another candidate enough time to run a campaign. It takes balls to think Biden could stand up against fascism when he can’t even stand up to genocide. This is deserved, but the voters never had a chance.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

What in the absolute hell does that even mean? How does that work? There was an election, there were two candidates, one was Trump. There WAS a chance. An obvious choice, at that.

Should Biden not have run in the first place? Obviously. Whether his approach to Gaza would have change anything is debatable (he'd have been crucified regardless), but let's say it would.

It wasn't Biden who had to "stand up against fascism". It was the electorate. And they didn't. You talk about it like it was not their choice, like it was an oopsie inflicted upon them by evil Dems and not a choice they made. They continue to make, in fact. That is insane.

As democracy gets eroded I will be more likely to cut them some slack, but as of now? Anybody that didn't vote for Harris is a collaborationist.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

"Deserved" is a bit loaded. Americans are exceptionally stupid and ill-informed, but that applies to our elected leaders, as well.

Does someone who is easily manipulated deserve to be manipulated? If so, isn't that precisely the form of myopic conservativism that has overrun the right wing? Government for the people, by the people, is intended to protect all the people and enshrine our rights. Protecting victims from predators ought to be a primary function of law, and if you don't believe that, then yeah you deserve the leadership we got.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It turns out that when you take all of the power to do anything away from someone, they can't do anything 🤷‍♂️ who could have possibly seen this coming?

[–] SubjectivelyGood@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conservative parties have frequently been the minority party but have consistently been able to obstruct, block, and fight against progress because they fight dirty. The Democratic party has always been the party of "we can't sink to their level" or the "at least we aren't the Republicans" party. If they were willing to be aggressive at all, we would still have Roe, minimum wage would be higher, and green energy would be the norm. However, the Democratic party has been content to be the party of not rocking the boat, or the party of the status quo, rather than the party of Republicans and Democrats have worked together to give rise to these freaks.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The american voters gave republicans the presidency, the senate and the house.

They also got control of the SCOTUS so the democrats don't have many options right now.

Hopefully the people smarten up for the 2026 midterms and actually vote.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Exactly. What specifically are the democrats to do at this point?

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Literally even a single thing at all would be nice

[–] knightly@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago

Pretend they are Republicans and start breaking the rules.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

More emails asking for donations? Have we tried this? Man I’m stumped

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

Congress is in charge of the money. I think they need Johnson acting to do anything about Elon though.

Someone more up on the mechanics should clarify.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

On a federal level, there really isn't much they can do that I'm aware of. It would have been nice to see them blanket oppose Trump's cabinet picks but that would only be symbolic since they don't have the numbers. They can't get any laws passed, and even if they could, Trump has no qualms about disregarding the law, which the Supreme Court says is fine.

If they wanted to go outside the law I guess they could try to organize some kind of coup, but failure at any stage would not only be career suicide but possibly actual suicide given that treason is punishable by death, and this administration would be gleeful to carry out that sentence against Dems. And if it did succeed, that still wouldn't do anything about the oligarchy propping up Trump, they'd just have another puppet (Vance) to fall back on.

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[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

So like you didnt vote for people and are mad those people are not in positions to do anything? Like “where are the democrats?” Short answer: not elected.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the republicans are in complete control of every branch of government and there is very little democrats can do other than talk really loud

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

What are the democrats actually doing to help?

I hope we don't start getting the same sort of lists that we got about Biden's accomplishments, where they counted Obama's accomplishments, had multiple duplicate entries, counted proposals as accomplishments, and considered a fresh coat of paint on air force one as an accomplishment.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There is little the democrats could ever have done to prevent fascism without losing their funding. This is just becoming much more clear now that we are at the advent of fascism.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Thats not true they could have given up the elites to form a more grassroots par-hahahha im sorry I fucking can't

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[–] BothsidesistFraud@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The best thing that Democrats can do is come up with a popular governing vision and then storm back in the 2026 midterms.

Personally I would think this would have to compromise on immigration and the worst culture war excesses of the left, while emphasizing support for the working class and most importantly good governance.

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