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And we shouldn't allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.

Commenting on an active post is not brigading

Posting a link to something is not brigading

Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading

The only thing that might be brigading, but isn't because it isn't a real thing, is someone explicitly going, "Hey everyone, go here and harass this person"

It's all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against reddit-logo brainworms

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[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As usual, liberals just use different words when they like some vs. when they don't. When they don't like it? Brigading! When they do? Just raising concerns, I hate those red fash tankies.

PS they are envious of our knack for a self-organized united front.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Their culture is so snarky and anti-collaboration, they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don't engage any differently in either case. I really do feel bad for these people who are trapped in the atomized, all against all social paradigm of the new internet.

[–] charlie@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

they get pissy with each other nearly as much as they do with us, and they don't engage any differently in either case

I'm still new to Hexbear and this has been the biggest striking difference for me coming from liberal spaces. I've seen multiple arguments on hexbear, and honestly, I had a hard time at first seeing that they were civil disagreements and not just jokes.

Edit: I think maybe because in the liberal spaces, to open up like that in good faith is just an invitation to get shit on for going outside the norm. Whereas here you'll get engaged with in good faith and it's just a much more positive experience that actually allows for civil disagreement.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Goofy emojis help, as does the anti-debatelord logout culture

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Here you can generally assume people will engage with intellectual honesty and intellectual curiosity, not just to "win" an argument but to have a real exchange of ideas that results in potentially both people benefiting. Everything isn't a debate and every conversation does not have a winner and a loser, the goal everyone has here is generally for everyone to be better off.

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[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (4 children)

My favorite thing is when they accuse hexbear of downvote brigading. I've seen it a couple times.

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Brigading is a bullshit Redditism. For everywhere else, they're called raids and raids are a reality of Internet life. Even Twitter has a daily main character where people dogpile on someone with a particularly shitty take. If you don't want to deal with raids, you can always join the winning team.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And now the mod of /c/196 is shitting all over Carcosa, just rubbing shit all over Carcosa and our collective faces. This is what happens when you try to pander to bad faith liberals. Why must we collectively give rimjobs to these fucking losers?

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I agree. It'll suck if the two instances with the largest trans communities on lemmy defederate, but there seems to be irreconcilable political differences here that will make continued federation impossible.

From what I see, most users on blahaj, especially the 196 community specifically, have swallowed the state department party line hook, line, and sinker. If you literally believe in all of the CIA atrocity propaganda, then you also believe "tankies" are fascists pretending to be leftists. This disagreement is fundamental, and it can not be fixed by any degree of increased civility or politeness.

And from the looks of their discussion thread on continued federation with Hexbear, it's their admin more than anyone else delaying the inevitable defederation, their users are mostly cheering to cut us off. They've given us one week to see how it goes, but I don't feel confident things will change.

When they do end up defederating, I hope the new c/the_dunk_tank rules can be repealed because it seems they've been put in place nearly entirely to appease blahaj.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Its the June 4th Tiannemen thing that gets me. The 1932 famine is complicated. There's plenty of room to just say "look all these reputable historians say terror famine! You can just ignore the tankie historians who say it was complicated. But there's nothing complicated about June 4th. What they think happen didn't happen, it's widely agreed that it didn't happen. I don't even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.

Every neoliberal thinktank and media outlet. What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The thing that annoys me is the widespread misconception among the lib instances that Hexbear users are just out there spamming PPB on every other instance, when in reality it's much more common that someone starts calling us hate speech spewing Russian bots or whatever and people start responding to that. Oh no, the consequences of my actions angery

Anothe thing that happens frequently is someone posts something well-crafted in good faith and then a lib responds ”I'm not reading that Kremlin/Chinese propaganda, troll!”, so who are the ones actually not interested in arguing here?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well yeah, but it's okay when people call us bots because we're genocide denying turbo tankies. When we take offense we are in the wrong. This is called "Civility".

It's like "Talking back" that adults pull on children. Kids can't figure out what they did wrong because they didn't do anything wrong. Their crime is existing. Our crime is being outside the Overton Window. Nothing we can do will ever be acceptable.

[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's like "Talking back" that adults pull on children.

!!! I had somehow forgotten about this phrase, even though it was my most frequent infraction and has shaped all of my dealings with children. It still baffles and hurts me that so many adults would rather get mad at kids for having feelings, opinions, and questions than talk to them like they're actual people.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Literally cannot imagine being this narcissist towards kids now that I'm old. I heard this fucking thing so much growing up

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It was so awful. I tried so hard to understand what i was doing wrong and it wasn't until decades later that i realized that i never did anything. "Talking back" just meant being noticed in any way. It's a horrid way to treat people.

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I’ve posted PPB exactly twice. Once when someone was whining about “I wish tbe hexbears werent here” and once again when someone said “tankie says what” in response to a well written reply (from a lemmygrad comrade)

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even the reddit admins themselves tried to back away from this. They eventually realised that people sharing links to reddit posts is not a bad thing, and wanted more of it.

The only reason they continued to crack down on it is that there is a historical cultural legacy that was incorrectly fostered around it on the site.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

Also because of things like r/cth posing a problem to them

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