N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The terminology is far less important than getting agreement on the sentiment, and eventually getting people to take action in a better direction

what's wrong if some people use rhetoric that rejects misandry vs. not then? clearly the former still works or there wouldn't be people advocating it here

but i'll explain how this discourse functions anyway: misandry is semantically coequal to misogyny. they have the same prefix and suffix, they're used the same way. it is not unreasonable to think these equivalent words describe equivalent things, that's how words usually work. what i want to avoid is validating this, because it does not reflect reality. in rejecting misandry, we hop over the semantic hurdle and contextualize struggles of men in the system of oppression they live in, where it is never unclear whose oppression is salient--patriarchy.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

what's wrong if some people use rhetoric that rejects misandry vs. not then?

"Misandry doesn't exist" is a debatable position that gets you little or nothing even if you win the argument. From what I've seen, statements like this also lead to unproductive turns like "and if you disagree you're a reactionary" in a way "misandry is a symptom of patriarchy" doesn't.

it is not unreasonable to think these equivalent words describe equivalent things

Fair point, but it's easily cleared up by saying that misogyny exists systematically in a way misandry doesn't.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

but it's easily cleared up

i don't think this thread would have so many comments if this was true agony-soviet

in any case i don't think we're fundamentally at odds having chased this argument into the very small redoubt of 'what pedagogy works best', i won't complain if you teach a man to be less shit with "misandry is a symptom of patriarchy" stalin-heart

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

having chased this argument into the very small redoubt of 'what pedagogy works best'

Another fine day on Hexbear!

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