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https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/ex-cia-whistleblower-the-nsa-audited
Crazy that it's been proven the election was stolen, but Neoliberals have conditioned idiots to pretend that the process is infallible, so the truth is ignored.
Apologies if I'm not a regular reader of Jörmungandr, but I need this from a more reputable source. I want to take in whats being said, but recognize the importance of trust and how that applies to a modern information landscape driven by fraud, conspiracy and AI.
If this is real, its going to need to break through in a more traditional manner.
Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it's fake and then random other shitty sources say it's fake.
There are a few problems now with sourcing:
All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn't trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.
That isn't going great. They have a lot of staff living in the US and a Musk problem.
Maybe 404 Media.
But yeah, it really doesn't matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far? And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn't stack up? Then what are you left with?
It's important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.
This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.
You're right 404 media should be on that list too. They're very good.
No, he would never do that, lol. He's not going to step down from this term unless he dies from natural causes.
The best I could find outside of snopes is a reasonable dive into the material by another redditor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1mfs6i4/debunked_excia_whistleblower_the_nsa_audited_the/
Tldr:
"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.
However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.
And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."
You're not a reader. That's the name of a free book. How would you be a regular reader of a singular book?
So its not even a scientific journal under which claims undergo scrutiny and review?
Even less worth offering one iota more of attention.
You reread what you just typed and think about it. Scientific Journal. Wow.
40th phrack just came out. Seems relevant...
Why would i offer someone promoting conspiracy theory drivel the principal of charity?
Because your pathological need to seek validation and prove yourself right has you coming back wasting time talking to me, a person who thinks you're an arrogant armchair intellectual. And that's as much a waste of time as all the rest of your impotent bitchy posts.
Why not read instead?
They said as they returned back to the thread seeking validation and to prove themselves right.
The reason I won't engage with conspiratorial thinking is because I know better than to give bad faith arguers charity or space. If you don't have the ability to establish standards of quality for the material you promote, do us all a favor and don't promote any ideas or content, because the only thing impotent here is you while you try and have 8 arguments across different threads of people rejecting this.
Sure but at least I own it. And I get it right, which is far better than whatever you are doing.
I'm aware this is a waste of time and find you funny. Angsty grad student vibes mixed with an undeserved sense of superiority.
You know what the Dunning Krueger curve is I'm sure. I bet you think you plot on the right side for a dozen subjects you never studied.
It really doesn't matter. You are promoting unfounded conspiratorial thinking and that needs to be pushed back on. Its a cultural disease to do so, and its even worse to promote it. Develop some rigor to your thinking instead of the slop you've asked people to "do their own research on" here.
Cultural disease. lol /b/tard. Pretending to have a degree.
Saying someone is pretending to have a degree or is pretending to be educated seems to be a consistent method of personal attack for you. It must be tough, going around with an inferiority complex. And yes, some of us are highly educated, but few are as fortunate as I am, where I do get to dedicate my time to contributing intellectually. But at least you recognize the importance of education and critical thinking, even if you yourself don't seem to know how to apply it.
Conspiracies, or thinking born of such; are enemies of reason and the mind. A sloven, toxic habit of the brain; that must be rooted out where it is found.
You're a snob and I'm 99% sure I hit multiple nerves. So yes, feels like tom about to play a rhapsody 🥸.
You keep pretending you're special and conspiracys don't exist, I'm gonna change a light bulb and refresh my MLK assassination history.
This thing about the hashing doesn't pass the sniff test for me in terms of evidence.
Like yeah, no shit it has to be considered dynamic unless you're using the same fucking hash for every fucking machine out there which is far more egregious than having a hash being listed as dynamic because, get this, it would be different for each system.
So I don't know, this sounds bog standard to me and indeed didn't affect things like voting tallies. People keep making hay about this, but until I see a lot more damning evidence, this sounds like people making the voting software actually doing the right thing.
I don't know, maybe that's just me. I am of the mind that a lot of us just don't want to face how deeply fucked in the head so many of the US populace are or how broken our voting systems already were beyond electronic voting. People have been getting dumped from voter rolls right before the election for decades, voting locations are shut down and people wait in long lines, we work people non-stop and don't give days off for election days and are shocked when young people, highly dependent on their new jobs, can't show up to vote. They didn't need to rig electronic voting when shit like gerrymandering, kicking folks of voter roles, scrutinizing signatures, and pretending like they have to be super sure people are who they say they are all results in a ton of fucking people being denied a chance to actually vote and have their vote matter.
The claims can be audited. I was hoping to see subpoenas or something after this broke then was expanded on in the article I linked here. But no, we have a handful of lawsuits getting slow rolled. I suspect we will get an answer in the form of paper ballots disappearing should someone manage to trigger a full recount. It's been months and this regime has no issue destroying evidence.
I thought about this for a while and realistically, if this happened, the only way you're going to prove it after the fact is if one of the nerds who helped flips or one of the rich shot callers kept evidence. Incompetence of DOGE could save the day but really where are there still going to be logs in another 6 months?
Well the thing that always sticks with me about "the nerds" is that each state runs its own elections and as such, has multiple election cybersecurity teams all over each state. The idea that they had what amounts to literally thousands of these nerds all over the country that all were in on it, all used zero-day exploits that were unknown, and all kept their mouths shut is just, well... it's definitely bordering on absurdly impossible for that many people to be involved and no one is popping off with evidence. Further security teams aren't just one person, so it would have to be every single person on every single security team and if there is one thing nerds with security credentials take seriously, it's security!
You're misunderstanding the topology, go read that again. They just needed a map of machines and polling stations(thanks Russia those hacks where you did "nothing" may have yielded Intel). If you targeted just the swing states I don't see any reason you'd need more than a dosen warm bodies. Can clean up most of those lose ends later, they don't all have to be smart, skids like big balls can deploy an exploit.
Yeah, stop sharing this bullshit. It's such a random claim out of left field with no actual evidence. Until he brings real evidence, it's all just the same as MAGA 2020 election denial stuff.
There are some interesting analyses by ETA and SMART, but even those are pretty lacking still.
You thought both sides were the same for a good bit of your life didn't you?
There's statistical evidence and resistance to recounts. And panzys like yourself who don't understand why Russia breached US elections multiple time to do "nothing". Because screaming the other side is cheating while you do your cheating preparations is a pre-digital strategy.
lol you have no idea who you're talking to. I think we should do some recounts because there are some odd anomalies, as I said about ETA. However, this substack post is very lacking in actual evidence other than "trust me bro".
A nobody. You don't matter. Trust me bro.
The post should be igniting further inquiry. It is lacking but it's also feels like there should be more news on this to prove or disprove. Instead let's treat it like some crazy conspiracy like rich people fucking kids on an secret island...
haha ok, you should go outside for a bit and take a walk probably
Just ran a mile. Fuck off. Read.
Nice! You're still too angry though
No. I'm not angry you're a human centipad. I'm disappointed.
Downvoted by shills, bots, trolls, et al. Not that it's going to matter, honestly. Thank you for trying to keep it visible, though. 🖖🏼
None of the above, but not going to blindly believe anything I read on a random blog on the internet though. Please have a little more logic/skepticism than MAGA at least. Follow ETA or SMART for more reasonable analyses, but still take those with a big grain of salt, because they could also just be grifters out for donations (or they could be legit).