But they conveniently leave out that it costs money to do anything with AI. It's more like "open to anyone with a credit card." The vast majority of people don't have computers powerful enough to run generative AI models locally, and even then, server farms with a billion GPUs will always produce better results

This means that people have to rely on corporate platforms where you buy tokens that you use to get pulls at the various AI slop slot machines, hoping you get something decent. The mechanics more closely resemble a gacha game than any kind of artistic process

By contrast, learning how to draw, animate or make 3D models costs nothing. There's free tutorials and tools everywhere, and you can also just pirate commercial ones if you want

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[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Hey man I need to see all your text and all your images you ever made."

""Why?"

"So I can make bad collage-copies of them and write shitty listicles."

"I don't want you to do that."

"Too bad, you put your stuff somewhere I could see it so I already did it and you have no recourse now because the powerful people that made me are above copyright law."

There is no personal use with this, because the AI was trained on everyone's stolen information. That is the problem, not the fact that it can make a bad picture because that was done. If the AIs could actually make anything from whole cloth, then we'd be having a different debate, but that's not what's going on.

[–] bort@hexbear.net 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

stolen information

Nothing is being stolen. Copying isn’t stealing. I’m a communist, I don’t believe in IP.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Steal from corporations, not form people's pantries you sick, disgusting fuck.

For real, do you not understand that the corpos are taking everyone's...EVERYONE'S things and making them theirs, for these garbage bots? That there is a difference between stealing from an individual as opposed to a company? You are gleefully saying that theft of personal property is okay, so long as it's the big boys in silicon valley doing it.

Sterling fucking socialist theory there, bucko!

And since you clearly need this explained more clearly: stealing from individual artists that honed a skill to the point they can make a living from it is bad, because you are stealing the livelihood from a fellow worker. Stealing form any individual is bad, actually. It really should not be hard to understand this, yet somehow...

[–] bort@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

Again, nothing is being stolen when an individual uses genAI for personal use.

Artists aren't losing anything. Their stuff is being copied and regurgitated but they've lost nothing.

As I've said elsewhere in this thread, I'm absolutely also concerned with how AI is going to impact workers in the commercial art, but the argument that AI is 'stealing' is just nonsense for the same reason piracy isn't stealing. We're in agreement on the conclusion I think, I just think the argument is poor.