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Please stop framing draft-dodging as a bad thing, especially in the context of the Vietnam War.
sex sounds like a less genocidal activity than going to vietnam but idk who can really say
In the context of deciding not to go overseas to murder people fighting a war of national liberation.
Who cares? The fact that he didn't go overseas to murder people is still good.
Sure he could have died, which would also be good, but is that worth the death and destruction he would have caused?
the point is you, being a liberal, are supporting imperial bullshit by framing draft dodging as a bad thing, attacking Trump as a draft dodger reinforces "draft dodging bad" dummy
Motivation doesn't matter if he made the right decision.
This is your brain on idealism.
If I steal a baby’s lollipop but I have goodwill in my heart then I’m actually doing a kind thing
That baby was an ORANGE CHEETO! Which makes it ok.
Okay, and what motivation do you see for fighting in the Vietnam war do you think he had that is defensible and somehow better than dodging the draft? Even if this ridiculous, anti-materialist take were true it would STILL be aggressively fucking stupid.
If you believe that abortion is murder, are you right to kill doctors that perform abortions? What about maiming them with intent to prevent them from working, or firebombing their clinics? You are, after all, motivated to stop murders.
thank you for gracing us with your wisdom oh learned one. I see now that intentions are the fundamental determiner of ethical action. truly deontology and consequentialism are philosophies of the damned!
in all seriousness please read a book on moral philosophy. there's so much more!
You are my absolute favorite lib, please come back again and teach us more!
i don't really care why Trump dodged the draft, but it's better he did that than drop agent orange over Vietnam
Rich failsons tended to be given safe and cushy posts, and even beyond that most American soldiers in Vietnam survived. Literally no one should join the US military ever. It is always a worse thing to do than not doing it is.
Hypocrisy literally does not matter, GOP hogs do not have shame or moral beliefs, they do not have principles, they are literally just ravening demons wearing human skin who subsist on suffering and death and who do not perceive material reality or remember what they had for breakfast this morning. You're not owning them by accusing them of at one point doing the less bad thing when moral consistency would suggest they should have done the more evil thing which they advocate for, because they don't care, literally no one cares.
Maybe I'm built different but I would simply go to jail rather than participate in a genocide.
If you think that potential consequences (a stint in jail) is worse than actively murdering people than you are simply selfish.
Also, of the over half a million draft offenders, only 3000 were ever sent to jail for it.
i mean its either war under an imperial flag or war under a gang's banner. what's the difference? At least in prison you aren't helping empire.
Ah, so now it's about which option is more fun, not more moral? And in your opinion, the option to go murder a bunch of random people in Vietnam is the more fun, and therefor more correct option?
Is this a prison SA reference? Fuck off with that shit.
Of course they had a choice. They could choose to become violent enforcers of the empire's will, or suffer state violence a thousand times milder than what they were being asked to commit. It's not like they were being black bagged and dragged to the front to be thrown into a meatgrinder without training or equipment, like Ukraine has been doing. They were told "go and murder for our vanity, for our dominion over all things, or sit in this box for a few years" and they chose to go do violence and bring horror and death to innocent people on the other side of the world instead of sitting in a cage for a few years.
They said it's 1000x milder than having your village genocided.
Relative to being on the receiving end of Agent Orange or American helicopters
That's what you took away.
Draft dodging isn't as hard as you think it is. Just have kids, go to grad school, join the National Guard (you will be in the military, but you won't be deployed or really do anything), drink a bottle of soy sauce right before your medical, say you're gay, make some track marks or sh scars, get fat, join the clergy, work in the mines, work in a defense plant, or just listen to Phil Ochs.
if you choose to kill foreigners instead of taking 2 years in prison then you're either a piece of shit or a coward
fuck the yankee wehrmacht
If we're talking about probabilities here, his McDonald's based diet probably should have killed him already but he seems to be still kicking somehow 🙄
We have to go back in time to stop the Supersize Me movie
His insides have been pickled by Big Mac sauce