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I already see Canadian tankies complaining about how right-wing Carney is.
The Canadian Overton Window shifts to the right, regardless.
And how would the window have shifted if little pp had won?
It shifts left when they realize they have no choice but to stop moving right.
To paraphrase Jim Carrey, they'll keep moving right as long as 'So you're saying there's a chance!?!?'
I'm not sure I'm following but I want to, Carney was a banker which is bad but he is considered a necessary evil against Trump? I would totally understand that, as Canada might be really fucked without a good leader right now. I suppose this banker will need to prove himself, but if you an actor has been able to protect Ukraine (most of it) against Russia a banker doesn't sound like a bad choice.
That aside, do people here think Carney is equally left/right as Trudeau was or do you think the liberals will have very different direction under his leadership?
my point was more that bankers are the embodiment of the banality of evil and pp is the embodiment of true mask off evil
So yes but actually no.
Carney is the Liberal Party, a centrist party, leader and therefor PM. Polliviere is the Conservative party leader and they have less seats so they don't get to pick PM. If Polly got in, which is to say if his party had more seats than any other individual party, he would be Pro-Trump and his party in general is very Pro-Trump.
Most people agree that Trudeau was slightly more left than Carney, but many are upset that the New Democratic Party, the left and social democrat party of Canada, lost seats and have never held a PM position but honestly they would be crazy to expect anything else.
The identity crisis many leftist canadians were facing is whether they give up on NDP and vote Liberal or whether they allow a conservative PM. I'm sure they want empathy more than answers, right now.
Well it looks like they'll need the NDP to form their minority government. The NDP should give their support contingent on changing the voting system to something better than first past the post.
They won't have this much bargaining power ever again.
They had this much bargaining power with the previous government (also a liberal minority supported by NDP) and they weren't able to use it to push electoral reform
and you think i support liberalism because…?
I mean the guy is a straight laced professor of economics who wrote his thesis on the advantage of competition. He's not exactly a working class hero. However, it could have been way worse and anyone who can't see that just needs to look at the US to find out what happens when you don't vote for the lesser of two evils.
IMO anybody who promotes competition and antimonopoly is a working class hero.
"Competition" is not a working class interest. Solidarity is.
Yeah well Monopoly isn't solidarity, it's oppression, so fighting that is good in my book.
A liberal fights a monopoly by competition, so that no single capitalist gains more profits over the other capitalists.
A socialist fights a monopoly by socializing it and making it a utility that works to meet the needs of the population, eliminating the profit motive.
Lack of alternatives is always bad, the needs of the population are rarely homogeneous.
And the true enemy endorses monopoly, so I'm happy to call liberals my friends.
Sure, no problem with that, but they're not "working class heroes", which is what I reacted to in the first place.
You don't have to be a tankie to see that Carney is a red tory.
you don’t have to be an authcom to see that carney is to the right of trudeau; he canceled the carbon tax, the capital gains tax hike, and is in favor of building more oil pipelines
no matter who won, canada would shift to the right. all we could do is decide by how much.
(and either way, all 3 of them - trudeau, carney and poilievre - are neolibs who support the genocide in palestine)
He cancelled the carbon tax because the name had been beaten up by the Conservatives. He promised to replace it with something similar but more palatable to the general public. I loved the carbon tax but agree that half the population was against it because pretty much they hated the name.
Just for clarification, he cancelled the consumer carbon tax. It was pretty much just a move to screw over PP (and I’m all for that honestly)
He explained in depth his reasoning for both of those decisions and if you listen to him its because the carbon tax failed to accomplish its goal and he is going to tackle the problem another way.He still supports the issue he is just trying a different solution.
For the cgt its because Canada has entered a trade war with its closest trading partner and he is planning to do massive investment in Canada and doesnt want a cgt hike disincentivizing investment.
Do you disagree with this reasoning?
Stephen Harper when he was leader of the Conservative Party offered Mark Carney a position as Finance Minister.
So Conservatives sure thought he was far enough to the right to be a Conservative.
And if the conservative had won they all would have suddenly become optimists "the bright side is that this will weaken the western empire and accelerated the revolution of the working class!"
Anything to the left of the Liberals is "tankies" now?
People to the left of Liberals aren't Tankies, but Tankies whinge that the winner is not left of Liberal. They would probably also whinge about an NDP PM. The only outcome I can see them celebrating is conservative victory. Tankies are scum of the earth.
The discourse on Lemmy however is a tendency to use "tankie" as some kind of othering identity marker. If I, an NDP and QS supporter, raise my hand and say "excuse me but Carney is a right wing Liberal, and I'm not comfortable with how the Overton Window has shifted to the right in Canada", there is a clear narrative that will lump me in with the Others, right? Who by virtue of being tankies are therefore traitorous to Canada and therefore, hello, here's the old red scare trope of "fellow travellers", "pinkos" and "useful idiots". Let's not pretend that's not the case.
Ah, the enlightened centrist has bestowed the ultimate and correct opinion.
Fuck tankies too. Many Canadians are understandably concerned that a guy slightly to the right of the status quo which gave rise to Poilievre is not going to make anything better for us.