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seriously. it's not that big a deal. if people in gaza are still standing up to their oppressors every day then you likely have zero excuse for not doing more IRL shit (political reading and writing at home are good, but don't mean anything if you're not applying that theory as practice and then assessing the results and adjusting your practice accordingly).

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[–] pooh@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So I'm not saying that encouraging people to go outside is bad by any means, but I think finding out why people can't or don't want to go outside is something we could probably do better at as a community. I don't think saying "it's not that big a deal" is nearly as useful as having a good discussion/plan on how to overcome those issues that keep people stuck inside.

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[–] arabiclearner@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

For what it's worth, I think an org should also have other activities. That means like a bowling night or something. Or a movie night, dinner night, or going out to a bar night. And, this might ruffle some feathers, it should also be a place where you can meet someone for dating, a fling, etc. That's how most people meet each other, through a shared activity (like school, a club, church, etc.). Democrats and Republicans meet each other in shared spaces like that all the time, but for some reason it's like the ultimate taboo to talk about it in leftist circles. But why? Just cuz some peeps here and there developed sex cult personalities? How many comrades of the past met each other through the Soviet Party or the Communist Party of China or in Cuba or Vietnam? Probably millions.

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

The Chilean socialist movement that brought Allende to power worked because they had Party offices in the community where members of the community could go and socialize as well as learn! There are lots of stories of people who met their first dates at the party community centers, and so the social pressure forced people to become more based to fit in.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I have a long comment history of ripping into Evangelical Christianity. Sometimes I feel like I rail against it more than anyone on this site. I have a million issues with American Christianity that still get me angry when I think about them even though I left the religion almost a decade ago.

BUT… when I think about the time I spent with various young adult church groups or Bible studies, I still have a lot of fond memories. Or even going further back to when I was a kid, my small little church had a pretty healthy social life that I do think made a positive impact in my life. Churches understand that and they’re pretty good at it. All that social stuff you mentioned really does matter. We are so alienated and disconnected from each other. To be able to offer a salve for that I think will help draw people to the org as well as help meet those social needs we all have.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

dating within an org is only a problem when more influential members date less influential members, the representative of a local chapter probably shouldn't start dating one of their members, it creates an imbalance of power, this isn't limited to socialist orgs though, it applies to any organisational structure.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this, and also your org needs to be large enough that it isn't dominated by a couple of de factor power players (it's easier to police official positions with power than someone with a lot of social clout). Otherwise any drama just kinda nukes the org.

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, small orgs need to have a very strict barrier for entry, to avoid wreckers and drama, but also need to avoid having a small group form the "core" of the org and decide everything through seniority. I will freely admit I'm not skilled enough at people management to organise an org from scratch like this.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

it's the sex pest problem, unfortunately. a lot of the women I know in local organizing circles - including myself - have been SAed by other organizers (usually dudes). I don't personally have a problem with dating in organizing circles but I know others do.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Each orgs chapter has an average of like 20 active people, that's why it always devolves into a sex cult in the US

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[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Someone please spell it out for me: what does anyone mean by joining an org?

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Figure out the communist and communist-aligned groups in your area, get on their mailing lists, turn out to do the things they ask of you sometimes. Try to make a compromise between good politics, successfully doing things in the real world, and being a larger org. Find out which orgs meet those criteria by going to their things. Once you're sure which org(s) are good, ask them how you can get more involved.

[–] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Let's get this one out of the way: what are peoples hot takes on these orgs off the top of my head?

  • DSA
  • Working Families Party
  • Local Democrats
  • CPUSA
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

An org is just a group of people that do work together and have a name. It might be a political party, it might be a group focused on a specific thing that approaches it from a socialist perspective, it might just be four people trying to figure out what they want to do but they know it should be socialist.

You join one by talking to people and asking them if you can join.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Joining a political organization that fights for better rights. In this context, a socialist org/party working towards building a socialist nation

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[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

This post was literally the push that got me to join an org, literally just now.

...Well, I started the process of joining an org just now - it's going to take a few days - but you get the idea.

By Jove, 2024 will be the year that I go from "Internet shitposter with good opinions" to "Proper Revolutionary". One of my resolutions for 2024 was in fact to join an org, but I've been trying to be a Stakhanovite with my one-year plans, going a bit ahead of schedule!

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago
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[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gazans have a shared living experience. I have 2 gay men who are repeatedly "adopting" their niece's mistake children and work as feds for the Canadian military as neighbours.

[–] DayOfDoom@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Sucks living here 'cause all the bourgeois freaks from Ottawa are spilling out here to get the cheaper real estate while bringing their equally awful shitlib politics. So it's them and freakish Canadian QAnoner types.

[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I mean wasn't Russian literacy super fucking low pre-Lenin? Many of the greatest revolutions ever done were done by illiterate people. Reading theory is good, but some people here treat it as far too important.

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Just because people were illiterate or had low literacy levels doesn't mean they didn't engage in theory though. This is also why vanguardism was so important to historical revolutions.

But you only need one comrade who can read for a classroom sized group of people (or larger) to be able to learn and discuss theory.

Part of what Mao did so successfully was to convey complex ideas in theory in very simple to understand language. In fact, he was so effective in doing this that most of his writings manage to cross a vast linguistic gap in a very nimble way.

Theory isn't the be-all and end-all, of course. But a party or the masses without theory is like a ship without a rudder.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those trying to build up the socialist movement early on were all heavy readers though. They need to be. Most of us live in a country where the movement is in the infantile stages

If a revolution does ever come to America, 99% of participants will have never read a single communist book, yea

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Back then, it would've been, like, the one guy at the factory who knows how to read, reading things to fellow workers, right? So reading theory would've been to a large degree a social activity back then, whereas now it's often a pretty lonely activity. Even if you aren't just reading alone, but are doing a book club or something... a book club isn't quite the same when it's 12 people from around the world on Discord, compared to when it's 12 people in the room with you. And even if you're going through the effort of making the information you learn more accessible to others, making an audiobook for the consumption of countless anonymous people online isn't quite the same as reading something to someone in person; nor is translating a work and publishing it online quite the same as actually going through the effort of making a translation in paper and giving it to someone.

Basically what I'm getting at is that "theory" can and should be praxis in itself, and this is achieved by changing the ways we interact with and think of "theory". That is, sharing information can itself be a productive, creative, and social activity grounded in our immediate surroundings, that builds the networks and skills to make us good revolutionaries, rather than just giving us explanations of why the world's kinda messed up so that we can debate with internet strangers to prove who's more well-read.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What do you mean "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"?!

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, this is why I encourage others to join an org (if you can and have the will, of course).

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah can I still join the protracted People's war without a protractor? Haven't owned one since high school.

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