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New polling conducted by Abacus Data confirms that nearly 9 in 10 Canadians support Air Canada flight attendants’ fight for fair pay – and they want the federal government to back off and let them negotiate it freely and fairly.

  • 88% per cent of Canadians believe flight attendants should be paid for all work-related duties including boarding, delays, and safety checks.
  • 59% believe the federal government should respect flight attendants’ right to take job action – even if it causes travel disruptions.
  • 76% support raising their pay to reflect the important safety role they play.
  • 71% support Air Canada matching or exceeding competitor airline pay as Canada’s flagship carrier
  • 80% support raising flight attendant pay to meet the rising cost-of-living.
  • 59% think Air Canada’s wage increase for junior flight attendants is still too low to live on in major cities, and only 19% think Air Canada’s wage offer is fair.

The survey also confirms the public is tuning in, with 43% saying they are following the process closely.

The survey of 1500 across Canada was conducted on August 14-15 with a weighted sample. Read more here.

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[–] Medic8teMe@lemmy.ca 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Damn right we do. Fuck the government. They've been doing this unabashedly for decades. Others forced back should walk out in solidarity. As should everyone else.

End this bullshit.

General Strike should be attainable, is certainly justified and sends a unified message to Ottawa that we do not want what they have south of the border.

Fuck liberal fascists.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago

The CLB just ruled it illegal - to the workers: Strike to win!!! No free work for zero pay. Fuck Air Canada. Fuck the shitlibs Fuck the erosion of workers rights.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This strike made my family have to cancel their trip, so I won't be seeing them this week. I still support the flight attendants striking. No way I'd want to be working in those conditions, and forcing people to go back to work isn't the answer.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 1 points 19 hours ago

I thought similar during the postal strikes, yes an inconvenience but the workers deserve better. I haven't read up much on the actual demands but I can only assume if they're striking (and rejecting the back to work) that something needs to be done. Plain random workers make the world work, they have the power really.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

Whodathunk a banker and WEF stooge would be on the side of the ruling class, huh.

[–] West_of_West@piefed.social 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The government shouldn't be involved in union busting. AC has no reason to bargain in good faith if the government continues to throw workers under the (air)bus

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 18 points 1 day ago

Absolutely.

Chalk up another one under disappointments from the Carney government.

[–] slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (5 children)

How many times has this government forced strikers back to work? Like 4 times now?

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

For those who haven't come across it, read this post. Its absolute BS the way the Libs have twisted this section of the code to suit the interests of big businesses, and the reason we have seen this happen so much in the last few years, but not previously.

https://lemmy.ca/post/49942361

[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

4 times in the past year. Rail workers, dock workers, postal workers, and now flight attendants.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but this time the shitlibs ordered the employees of a private company back to work. Air Canada is American owned btw. So glad the workers stayed on strike. Fuck the shitlibs. Workers Rights 💯no work for no pay.

[–] Thalion@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Air Canada is American owned btw

Uh, source? I'm fairly confident it is not. And in fact is required by law to be 75% Canadian owned

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

https://fintel.io/so/ca/ac

Top four shareholders of Air Canada:

https://institutional.vanguard.com/investments/product-details/fund/0113

Launched in 1975, The Vanguard Group, Malvern, Pennsylvania, is among the world’s largest equity and fixed income managers.

https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/mutual-funds/profile/vwnfx

Based in New York, Lazard Asset Management is a wholly owned subsidiary of Lazard Freres & Co., LLC. The firm has advised Vanguard Windsor II Fund since 2007

https://usglobaletfs.com/about-us/

Since 1989, U.S. Global Investors has been led by CEO Frank Holmes, who purchased a controlling interest in the company that same year. U.S. Global Investors is a publicly traded company (NASDAQ symbol: GROW) headquartered in San Antonio, Texas.

VTMGX - Vanguard Developed Markets Index Fund Admiral Shares Is Vanguard again, managed out of Pennsylvania.

[–] Thalion@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

These are all non voting shares. Owned by implies people making the decisions

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 18 points 1 day ago

The Liberals, and neoliberals generally, are anti-labour and will support the very few ultra wealthy over the millions of us every single time.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Under Carney? Or just the Liberals since 2015?

[–] slykethephoxenix@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Either/both. Seems to be a pattern.

[–] nocklobster@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Who the hell are the 12% who DONT think people should be paid during work?! We need to find that group and expel them immediately because that’s just fucked!

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not the answer I expected, but realized is the answer.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

At least some of them may be waiting for a flight!

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think it's necessarily important that they get paid directly for all hours, as long as they think that their compensation is fair. If they got $1000/hour flight time and nothing for pre and post flight, I'm sure they'd all be happy. They might even be fine with a fixed yearly salary tied to a certain number of flight hours.

However, they're clearly not happy with the current arrangement. My understanding is that their pre and post flight duties have increased over the years, and their hourly wage for flight time hasn't kept up. An hourly wage per hour worked is probably the easiest way to handle this, and I'm not really sure why they haven't done so.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I disagree. Because this can lead to abuses. A fair wage is getting paid for every minute of work that you perform, from the moment you set foot in your place of work, from the moment you step out. And that means an airport.

Heck I'd even add that people should be compensated for the commute to work.

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree with the first part, but paying for the commute doesn't make sense because YOU choose where you live. Your employer doesn't get a say at all in where you live. It's not part of the job. Also, if employers were paying for your commute, good luck getting a job if you live in the suburbs and have to commute, because now you're more expensive to hire than people who live closer.

[–] ganryuu@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Maybe if we were getting paid for the commute we would not see all those returns to office for people who can work just as well if not better from home.

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who are the other 12%??? Sociopaths???

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Who are the other 12%??? Sociopaths???

Business owners.

So... maybe

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Capitalists.. Sociopaths..

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nope, this is one of the many situations where dumb Albertans will correctly identify that the Liberal government are pro-business jackasses.

They just go on to say that this is why you should have voted Conservative, because, well. Dumb Albertans.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately you are wrong, at least based on the people I know that are against it.

All of them 1 step away from going full MAGA.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

So what part of that is me being wrong?

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Because they are siding with the government, and not the workers.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are these the inklings of class consiousness or just a happy coincidence?

[–] C4551E@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 23 hours ago

I'm too cynical to believe this, but I would love to be wrong.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Actually being paid for work you're doing is a pretty easy thing to get behind even for right wingers. It's the easiest of labour issues. So to answer your question, it's not so much a coincidence as it is lowest of low hanging fruit.