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this isnt going to be very well written or coherent but:

look, I'm not trying to be the classic reactionary STEM grad who feels entitled to a high-paid tech position because I stumbled through three years of lectures. I'm not that. I've done a couple of years since graduating in hospitality work and that was generally horrible/couldn't get enough hours to pay rent/got misgendered whenever my bosses were having a bad day. Now that sector is in big trouble too so there aren't any jobs going, even if i could stomach going back into it. And apparently chef's work is a black mark on your CV and a lot of employers will write you off based on that anyway?

people say "networking is more important than qualifications". Well, that's great, but as someone who comes from a working class family, I have no idea how to do that, and never knew it was necessary until after the period I was apparently given the greatest opportunity to do it (university). and now it's like, what, am I just supposed to message people on LinkedIn out of the blue begging for work? with no experience? Where do I even begin with that?

I would love to work on the railways or in local government or something but I don't hear anything back from those roles. My best asset is that I spent 2 years setting up a tenant union in a major city, but apparently that's not good enough to even get an interview for support worker role at a charity that literally supports tenants and homeless people. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Every time I get close to a job, it always ends the same way - interview, feel like I did well, get a call back a couple of days later saying "thanks but somebody else had more experience". My experience was literally on my CV, if it wasn't enough then don't waste my time calling me in to interview!

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classic reactionary STEM grad who feels entitled to a high-paid tech position because I stumbled through three years of lectures

Mate you're entitled to a high-paid job which doesn't harm you psychologically or physically, just like every worker. Status and power over others is another thing but there is no shame in wanting a safe workplace that gives you all your surplus value. The bourgeois have run a massive psyop over the past few decades to push the idea that its being "entitled" to expect humane conditions at work since they need to make conditions shitty for workers by cutting a lot of corners to offset the falling rate of profit. They are evil parasitic trash that need to be roasted alive on campfires in minecraft survival skyblock hunger games hypothetically.

[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

it's been great to hear about how good the economy is doing when everyone I know seems to be getting laid off or having a terrible time trying to find work

would love to work on the railways or in local government or something but I don't hear anything back from those roles. My best asset is that I spent 2 years setting up a tenant union in a major city, but apparently that's not good enough to even get an interview for support worker role at a charity that literally supports tenants and homeless people. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Every time I get close to a job, it always ends the same way - interview, feel like I did well, get a call back a couple of days later saying "thanks but somebody else had more experience".

Unfortunately it seems your fields of choice are ones where networking/nepotism is usually how they fill open positions.

Railways are usually union jobs, and so people working those jobs will always have a nephew or cousin they are saving a spot for. Similar situation with local government jobs. No real experience or specific degree is necessary and you get decent benefits, so it usually comes down to who you know, not what you know.

Imo nonprofits are some of the worse employers. They typically pay everyone shit, except for senior management who get 6 figures for doing absolutely nothing. Plus, you are competing with people who have more experience in ngos because they've never had to support themselves with a real job.

It's why fields like journalism are filled with trust fund kids, they're the only people who can afford to do unpaid internships .

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

[THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED ADVICE COMMENT IM SORRY PLEASE DISREGARD]

talking about insulation as an ideaI have a card that says I can do my job so if I need a job and somehow my union doesn't have one for me (improbable) i don't need to write a resume I just say i have the card.

My main tools are a steak knife i got from the dollar store and a pair of mediocre tin snips. I have a drill that I only use if I'm doing sheet metal work which isn't very often in commercial/in-town construction.

The math is super easy and mostly simple geometry involving circles. I was stoned every single class during my schooling and I got 92% on my journeyperson exam.

It's technically a finishing trade so when you're finished you can often see the product of your labour after the job is finished and open to the public.

Don't get me wrong, the job is construction and sucks and you start early and have to work with chuds. That being said, your tools and materials are lighter than every other trade on the jobsite. The trade was a primary target for any "get them ladies into the trades" initiatives so the percentage of chuds is lower than the other trades.

you get to wear an N95 all day and not have any chuds says anything because you work with a dusty material

https://www.insulators.org/

Happy to answer any questions for anyone and if you want I could call the union hall closest to you and see how much work they have

this goes for anyone who reads this I will pretend you are my friend who needs work and throw what mediocre weight I have at it

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neat, thanks. Can't imagine the robots will come for insulation work any time soon either. I'll add it to the list of jobs to consider. I'm fairly interested in trades as an option, but I can't really afford to put myself through courses right now either. If I could get a shitty job to bring in some cash then it'd be doable.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

i didnt do any school til i had like 2 years experience but its common to wait longer

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why don't I strap on my job helmet and squeeze down into a job cannon and fire off into Jobland where jobs grow on jobbies

pepe-silvia

[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Last time I got a job, my ex had some grave dirt she bought from a magician or vodou practitioner in New Orleans. I put a dollar, a gram of weed, a cigarette, and a splash of whiskey in the tin which held the pouch of dirt. got a job about a week later, and im still employed there almost 5 years later.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dating witches can be wild

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] uSSRI@hexbear.net 2 points 21 hours ago

Americab spritZ :'/

[–] Lenins_Sabocat@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 day ago

You were just holistic job searching.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago

i'd rather smoke the weed tbh but maybe that's why i dont have a job yet

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wish I could help but I’m in the same boat.

Fuck the rich. The whole point of them being rich is to create jobs and now they refuse because they’re picky? Then those gluttons should have their wealth ripped out of their trotters. Pigs don’t need it and should learn to live without it.

[–] camaron30@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree. I got a job last week and i left it two days later because it was clear that the boss had no idea what the hell he was doing and it was going to be a major headache (and i would have been forced to rent an apartment, had i definitely joined said job).

It sucks man, 9 months jobless and the first job that hires me is some guy making a shitty startup thanks to government subsidies.

some guy making a shitty startup thanks to government subsidies

Idk how to explain it but it seems like the western political economy is going to collapse soon, there is too much of this type of shit, a lot of money being moved around and hoarded without a lot of material manufacturing going on.

[–] sgtlion@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As someone in high paid tech without a degree: Lie about your job history, and if you can find a way to speak to someone (even a recruiter), do it. Make your CV tick the boxes (insofar as you can actually do it, don't lie about being a heart surgeon), and past that you need to make the employer like you.

It's a stupid, unfair and extremely luck based system, sorry.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Maybe I could just say that I did some software engineering for the tenant's union. At least using SQL and Python.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My honest advice, make up some lie about what you're passionate about and how you got where you are to sell to people. I am involved in engineering companies and just made up a lie I've been repeating since graduation about having some long term goal of making the next generation of mobility possible through cost efficient personal flight equipment. I weave it into a story about not being sure what to study but wanting to make the world better through it, and then coming to this job to hopefully get closer to the goal in some minute way. It involves enough belief (fake, to be clear) in a profit driven technological solution to many problems that managers think I'm driven and willing to do anything to get us further or some bullshit. And I try to say it all with a lofty tone like I know it's hard and I'm not gonna ever really do it, but with a "please let me be exploited by you to learn a bit more to get my goal" tint. For you, Id even add something about how you weren't willing to settle for less and so did some in between jobs for a while, but now see some path forward in small steps at "insteek company you apply to"

Idk how much of my success comes outta that, but I grew up very working class and in the middle of nowhere without any concept of this corporate shit and this got me through all the bullshit.

But please don't think that I think this is your whole solution. It's a shit world and there's no real one trick, especially you being trans and all the struggles pushed into you for being yourself. I'm just trying to add my little bit of what I feel like has helped a cis guy.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

that's inspirational lying, i really need to up my game. I'm always stumped when it comes to the "why do you want this job?" sort of questions. I just want to make rent lol.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago

You can be particularly drawn to the industry, and you can see it as an opportunity for self-development and for putting yourself to good practical use.

I put those reasons down most of the time. I don't mention that I learn everything that I can from a place and then leave.

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

I get it, definitely. I don't give a fuck about most of the shit I've done, so this story that I keep telling to everyone gets me through it. I tell it so much it starts to feel real sometimes lol. Only my trusted colleagues get the real answers

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[–] whiskers165@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel you. I'm the first MFer in my family without a college degree and I'm a nonpassing trans person. I've been laughed out of so many job interviews I quit trying. 100% scheme fueled existence, creative approaches to meeting my needs. Idk what to tell you, this shit will have you pulling out your hair and rethinking everything right down to how you eat and breath

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

trans women literally have the lowest ability to earn out of basically any minority group and nobody ever seems to talk about it. discrimination in the workplace is fucking horrible and there's basically no way to challenge it unless you luck into a place with coworkers who happen to be super supportive.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

It’s why I hate n*tworking so much. It’s legalized discrimination.

porky-happy: “Sorry kiddo, but I don’t hire poors. You see, you’re out-of-network. That means you’re not my bestest best friend in the whole world so you’re not invited to my economy! Of course, only heterosexual white men can possibly be my friend but that’s not discrimination because reasons!”

[–] himeneko@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

lol yeah i'm early into getting into the engineering scene and if i get fired not only do i have to do the entry level job search but i gotta do it while trans. that shit is real tough

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Are you asking for advice? If so:

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And apparently chef's work is a black mark on your CV and a lot of employers will write you off based on that anyway?

I'm sorry to hear that. It wasn't the case about 15 years ago when I made the change from catering to infrastructure engineering. Especially for recent grads I've found that any job experience is viewed as better than none but your particular industry/location appears to view that differently?

people say "networking is more important than qualifications". Well, that's great, but as someone who comes from a working class family, I have no idea how to do that, and never knew it was necessary until after the period I was apparently given the greatest opportunity to do it (university). and now it's like, what, am I just supposed to message people on LinkedIn out of the blue begging for work? with no experience? Where do I even begin with that?

I was in the same position. I joined an industry association. I started volunteering at events or on committees and started to get call backs for interviews. I'm still involved and I still get head hunting calls. My industry is small though, so your mileage may vary.

Even if you don't benefit directly from the networking, you might learn something about the industry that helps you. For example, you might be missing out on applying for a certain job title because you don't think it applies to you. In my case I didn't realize I could take a certain role to gain experience (including for the various licences I needed). I ended up applying for and getting a job in that role and it turned out great.

I would love to work on the railways or in local government or something but I don't hear anything back from those roles.

Both are typically unionized so it can take a super long time to get in. They typically have to interview and exclude all internal candidates before even being shown the external candidates package, even if they post internal and external at the same time. I work in a similarly unionized field and it took me 13 months after graduating to get a full time job in the field. If I am correct about these being unionized positions you might want to get a hold of the collective agreement for the unions and see if there is benefit to applying to jobs you wouldn't otherwise consider.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm wrong about BoH work having a poor reputation, it's just what I heard a few times in various places. I guess maybe it's more the case that it's just hard to transition from hospitality to other sectors because it's viewed as a low prestige job?

Maybe an industry association would help - that could be a great idea. Thanks. I'll have to look into what sort of stuff like that exists. I'm living in an industrial town and so much stuff in industry feels like you have to take a very specific path to get a look in with having the right qualifications and stuff, and loads of the entry-level work is apprenticeship-based which is not a particularly realistic option for graduates (your degree can be disqualifying and generally they'll be looking for younger people just out of school).

I don't know whether the union stuff applies here since I'm in the UK, we don't really have unionised positions per se. I'm not exactly sure how it all works though. Thanks for the advice and encouragement

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was def speaking with a north american bias, canada specifically. I don't know much about hiring practices in the UK.

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and guess you are a civil engineer interested in transportation. Using this guess, I searched for some groups you might be interested in. I just mean this to demonstrate that there are tonnes of weird and wacky associations out there 😊

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'd love to be an engineer, haha, wish I had taken that course. I have a degree in physics, which as it turns out is basically useless because you get outcompeted by people with more relevant qualifications in basically any field.

Those are some super useful links - thank you! I didn't realise these things existed.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like with physics you'd probably need to go for grad school, doctorate, post doc and end up working in academia or labs

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

yeah pretty much and my grades weren't good enough to do any of that bc i was in a deep mental health crisis throughout my degree and didn't try hard enough (and also there was a pandemic). I'd probably have carried on to master's otherwise. It can be a good degree for software engineering, but again my grades weren't great, and that field is kinda screwed anyway

[–] boboblaw@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

It can be a good degree for software engineering, but again my grades weren't great, and that field is kinda screwed anyway

Yeah, you'd likely need a Masters and your chances would still be bad. Software is fucked for the foreseeable future.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's brutal, and funding has dried up for the doctorate and post doc programs. A friend who was trying in the states had to accept a position in Germany and luckily they were looking before the biggest cuts happened because the EU funds a fraction of the positions that were cut in the US.

Not sure if you are committed to staying in US but you could get a TEFL certificate and teach English in another country. It might not be a long term career but it could be a great way to spend a few years, get some new experiences and perspectivesz and ride out the US crash from afar

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh i live in the UK but TEFL is something I've considered before. Specifically I was looking at doing it in China.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

oh ok, yeah it might still apply to your situation there

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[–] AF_R@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There is a significant reactionary faction here that condemn all higher education and think being able to bear the burden of being a laborer is somehow anti-left. I wonder what the Soviets would have thought of that. Don’t let them gaslight you.

Keep at it, my friend. Every organization out there has been cutting heads for years. There’s no magic bullet except to keep looking and submitting tailored applications and staying motivated enough to land a job before funds run out.

Personally I took a 15% pay cut and reduction in responsibilities after my last layoff, working my way back up again. Being overqualified is what got me into the role because competition was so tight.

I hope this doesn’t come off as saying you’re not trying hard enough. I fully understand the cash runs out before the offer comes in despite all the effort. Just want to emphasize it always feels hopeless until the offer finally comes in.

It took about 6 months of fully using my weekends to apply to jobs for my previous position (while still employed: was looking for an upgrade), and this current time took 6 months of applying Mon-Fri 8 hours a day to find my current position. It’s bad out there for sure but I hope that cheers you up. It’s not some personal failing on your part that it’s this hard.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is a general misunderstanding of the position if the forum, almost to the point that if you weren't a low volume poster I would believe it was deliberate.

The position of the forum in general is that higher education exists specifically to indoctrinate and acculturate people into liberal values. It is not a condemnation of higher education writ large, but a condemnation of higher education as a revolutionary socialist pursuit. It has never been denied here that having a degree from higher education will almost always significantly improve your chances of finding and retaining a job, even the less marketable ones, but that is looking at the your education as valuable from a liberal perspective, which we are not prone to encourage because there are thousands of other places on the Internet that will tell you that. The important part is understanding the level of debt or time that these things will take and weighing it with the potential benefits. To that effect, pursuit of a technical degree is likely a better choice if that is available.

No one is gaslighting anyone.

I would also caution against 'Well it was hard for me too, but I got through it so should you even if it's just hard out there.' advice. The whole point of this economy is that some people are not supposed to make it.

That said @revolut1917@hexbear.net there are some less-alienated ways of pursuing employment than just firing off resumes into the void.

I absolutely agree with what @Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online said and that you should pursue some level of familiarity with your local professional organizations. Most people don't do this basic kind of networking in college, they learn about it later in their twenties and thirties. And don't just stick to your field, there are hundreds of professional organizations across the U.S. and they often times are recruiting for all kinds of positions all across the field, especially industrial HR, which it sounds like you would be over-qualifed for, but some orgs would love that. You may have to work for porky that thinks he's a good person at the end of it though, which is it's own little misery.

Shoot some emails their way and see what they have to say.

[–] Runcible@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't seen much anti-education sentiment here there is definitely a streak of resentment here that occasionally gets people to lump in PMC with petite bourgeois which kinda conflates the two. I have definitely seen arguments that have a "education is good, the job you get with education makes you a bad person" underpinning them.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

That is because successful PMC are the core of the liberal elite, and are far more hands-on in their choking of the working class. They are often just as culpable as the bourgeois in their actions. And it often hurts more because PMC are class-traitors who would have all the world to gain if they weren't liberals.

Working for porky doesn't make you a bad person, but if you ever catch yourself calling yourself a democratic socialist while say, designing flight components for Raytheon (real guy I met), you may want to think about if you are just lying to yourself for the sake of being on the side of popular opinion. Point is there is no shame in trying to make money, there should be shame around believing that making money makes you a good person.

this current time took 6 months of applying Mon-Fri 8 hours a day to find my current position

Brutal, applying for jobs is a full time job in itself.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

thanks. Motivation is really difficult. It's so hard to feel like working through these long-ass applications that demand three essay-length questions written in specific format, when half the time you won't even hear back from them, let alone getting an interview! I wish they valued unemployed people's time more.

I just have to keep at it. You're right that it feels hopeless until you finally get somewhere; the worst thing for me right now is the number of times i've gotten somewhere, gotten an interview or a phone call, and then it's "sorry, we really liked you but someone else had more experience". So many times that now I'm already telling myself not to bother applying for roles because I can only imagine they'll have a bunch of people with years of experience in that industry applying too!