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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 127 points 4 days ago (5 children)

When is it going to stop being "He's so incompetent, it's like he's doing it on purpose!" and start being "Oh, he's doing this on purpose..."? This has been obvious for so long now.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd say it's part incompetence, part intentional sabotage. He truly is a fucking moron, but he also hates the US.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He's easily manipulated by corrupt people, including those who don't have the best interests of the U.S. at heart.

[–] joekar1990@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Like seeing Tim Cook gift him that golden statue so apple gets no tariffs...like everyone can see and stroke his ego.

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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 16 points 4 days ago

I'll take Russian Asset for 1000, Alex.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago

There hasn't been a doubt about his intentions for a long time. He is, however, likely taking many actions because someone told him to, he heard a sound bite on Faux News, or he perceived some slight from social media.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

it doesn't take much intelligence to destroy things under you over the course of 4-8 years. He's very obviously incompetent because he's doing this on purpose.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, please don’t give him that much credit. If you saw him run a casino, you’d swear he was doing it on purpose, but he isn’t. He really just is that dumb.

I’m not saying he’s not also in Putin’s pocket, but don’t try to convince me that he has the brains necessary to make sabotage look like incompetence. He’s nowhere near that clever.

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[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Of course. That is the goal.

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 75 points 4 days ago (2 children)

That was always Putin's goal. Was known as far back as 2016.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago
[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago

Since 1997, actually, when The Foundations of Geopolitics was published. Brexit is in there, too.

So far, it’s all going pretty swimmingly, though Ukraine is putting up more resistance than anticipated.

[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Wow, who knew a Russian asset might try and "sabotage US dominance"?

That's just Unthinkable.

These fucking writers need to stop acting like they have an IQ of 76.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It is unfair to call trump a "Russian asset". He is just as much a Saudi asset.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 64 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Especially notable to me that the article made its point without even getting into things like Trump effectively handing leadership in EV technology and alternative energy broadly to China, or giving the Chinese chip-making industry just the boost it needed to potentially be able to supply China's needs on its own, or making the US so hostile to scientific reseach that China will likely end up leading the world in that as well.

Yes - he could hardly do more to more thoroughly destroy the US's standing in the world if he set out to deliberately do exactly that.

Oddly though, that at least provides him with a bit of cover - if he wasn't such a blithering idiot, I'd suspect that that really was his goal. But I don't think he's even capable of maintaining focus on a straightforward strategy, much less a subtle and multilayered one.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

making the US so hostile to scientific reseach that China will likely end up leading the world in that as well.

That's already the case

https://theconversation.com/china-now-publishes-more-high-quality-science-than-any-other-nation-should-the-us-be-worried-192080

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[–] mystixa@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

No 'seems' about it. His entire purpose is to put all public on firesale to private interests. Its the same as when he was trying badly to sell New York real estate in the 80s to the Japanese specifically, even though there was a real fear about how much they were purchasing giving them too much control over our land and businesses.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

Russian plant.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That’s been the plan since 2016.

[–] mystixa@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Facts! You can honestly go back to Nixon and watergate and even JFK’s assassination to see how and who the GOP really are and have always have been.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Well, to be accurate, Putin is intend on sabotaging US dominance. HitlerPig is just his hired muscle.

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[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Going through the comments, it's mostly Trump being an agent of China, of the Saudis, the Israelis, and mostly a Russian agent.

I unfortunately don't think there's a way out of this for the US population unless people start to accept that Trump is a very distinctly American character, the culmination of what the right wing in the US has been working towards forever. And that the problem the US has is an internal one. Trump is an inevitable consequence of the US political environment, and he or someone like him would've come to power sooner or later, even if Russia didn't exist as an external factor. Unless people accept that, I don't think there's any coming back from this for the US population. It's just going to get worse. And it unfortunately will also bring chunks of the rest of World down with it in the process.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 days ago

That's why he was put into power.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

It's already gone

[–] bungalowtill@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

as a citizen of Earth I say: good.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Ive been scared for over a decade now that the US gov is following a similar pattern Russia did 20 years ago and that when the US loses it's economic and cultural dominance they will start to do exactly what Russia is doing and flex military might, except with the largest military in the world and bases in damn near every country.

If I was the leader of any other country I would have already started/redoubled efforts planning on how to engage with the US as an enemy years ago. Not 'hur durr they're already an enemy cuz Trump dumb', I mean drones at your doorstep your children weap at sunshine enemy.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There is every chance of this happening. We're already seeing the start of it with Trump's remarks on Greenland and Canada. Those aren't just harmless quips. They're intent to (militarily) bully anyone and everyone into compliance.

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If I was the leader of any other country I would have already started/redoubled efforts planning on how to engage with the US as an enemy years ago. Not ‘hur durr they’re already an enemy cuz Trump dumb’, I mean drones at your doorstep your children weap at sunshine enemy.

Yeah... that's actually happening. It just doesn't make sense to be super noisy about it at the moment. Anyone in Canada that has any capability to manufacture drones are getting military procurement contracts approved ridiculously fast right now. Like those kinds of things usually take years to get through the red tape, but now it's like weeks to go from testing to procurement.

At the moment it's only a trade war, and it would be best if that's as far as it goes. But if Trump takes things further... yeah, there will be drones at his doorstep. I wonder what something like this could do to Mar a lago? https://youtu.be/olYVvx8TfGk

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[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

I wonder why? Hey let's ask his boss, Putin. "Why is the obese imbecile being such a cunt..?"

Ok, this just in from Putin:
"Paedophile pisstapes"
Wow, that could mean Putin was watching Grey's Anatomy. Or it could mean that Putin has videos of russian asset tRUMP pissing over the kids that he had just raped.

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 days ago

Yes. The goal of this administration is and always has been to hurt America at the behest of foreign interests. We have got to stop acting surprised when the people who want to hurt America, in fact, hurt America.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wrong again ....

The powers that be and corporate owners seem intent on allowing Donald Trump to Sabotage US Dominance.

...... dump truck Don is not that powerful or influential and you got to stop pretending he actually has anything to do with power.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Yeah. It's an internal struggle between American oligarchs for who'd control the division of the pie now that it's almost stopped growing. The rest are side effects and distractions, albeit consequential.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

Donald Trump Seems Intent on Sabotaging US ~~Dominance~~

FTFY

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 17 points 4 days ago

Comrade Krasnov doing a fastastic job for his droogs

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Trump is the symptom, not the disease.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

All the Putin jokes aside, I don't think he's doing it for geopolitical or treasonous reasons. I think it's mainly just a by-product of his style of interaction and competition, which exists for very logical ("logical") reasons and which he's been able to make work pretty well for himself.

https://snyder.substack.com/p/the-weak-strongman

Snyder says it better than I can, but basically, he is weak and stupid, but he needs to be able to dominate people around him, and so his whole strategy is to attack and weaken, because that's his only way to be able to compete effectively. He can usually dominate the weakened version of whatever he's attacking, in a way he never could if it was at full strength. It's why he shows such innate and passionate violence against anything or anyone that is organized, effective, or popular: Because someday, they might turn against him, and if they did they would definitely win, and so he has to Nancy Kerrigan them before they get a chance.

Again Snyder summarizes it better, but it is also the exact same model that Putin uses, and it's had exactly the same effect on Russia (taking it from at least a regional powerhouse and functioning country that could accomplish significant things, to being a pariah state that barely functions in the first place even internally.) The strategy only works for as long as there is no one "outside the wall" who can come into the sphere of influence in un-weakened form, and if that ever happens, then the strongman crumbles instantly into impotent rubble. To ever let one of these people get control of your country or organization is basically just a nonstop rolling catastrophe that just gets worse and worse the longer they hold on to power.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But no one in the us seems willing to do anything about it, aside from making the occasional mildly caustic statements online and in govt.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

Welcome to 9 years ago...

[–] tylerkdurdan@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

make america hate again break american greatness again

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

The public got so tired of being no. one they voted the absolute worst possible candidate in history to the highest office in the land for shits and giggles. I mean, how bad could it get? Fafo.

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