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Samsung has decided to proceed with the Bootloader blocking also in Europe, a move that has caused a lot of discussion. Behind this choice is a European regulation that will come into force in August 2025 and which risks changing smartphone usage in Europe forever. This is why other manufacturers may soon follow suit.

From 1 August 2025, new provisions will come into force RED Directive (Radio Equipment Directive), which redefines the compliance requirements for all radio devices sold in Europe. This is a significant change, not so much for the amount of regulations introduced, but for the effect they will have on the entire Android ecosystem. The issue revolves around three articles that impose specific protections: against network interference, personal data compromise, and digital fraud. These are, in themselves, sacrosanct rules.

But the crux comes with the interpretation prevailingEach device must ensure full compliance not only with the hardware, but also with the software that controls the radio modules. This is where the bootloader comes in. Unlocking it essentially allows you to replace the original operating system with an alternative one, such as LineageOS or GrapheneOS.

But these systems, if they modify the radio drivers even minimally, invalidate the CE certification. An uncertified device can no longer be legally marketed or used, at least according to the most stringent reading of the law.

This scenario has therefore led Samsung to protect its devices. Not on a whim, but to avoid any software modifications falling under your legal liability. If a user installs a ROM that interferes with radio frequencies or compromises communications security, the manufacturer (and in some cases the importer) may be held directly liable.

RED does not explicitly talk about unlocking the Bootloader or custom ROM, but it opens one regulatory space in which the margins for maneuver are they narrow. And in doing so, it provides a solid argument for those who have been trying for years to close the loop between hardware, software, and services. After all, customizing the operating system also means breaking away from proprietary services and, therefore, from the model that ties the user to the brand.

Samsung is just the first to move, but it's hard to imagine it will be the only one. Starting in August 2025, it's very likely that other manufacturers will follow suit, at least for the European market.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Oh. I better make no mistake and update to Oneui 8 when it comes in my phone.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 196 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuck smart phones and neo feudalism. This is theft of ownership with a criminal complicit government. I applaud all Luigi's these people deserve it. These are the killers of democracy. If your device only runs factory filtered stalkerware garbage, all democracy is dead. All information is easily filtered by this proprietary shit. Freedom of the press is a bullshit tiny niche of the broader requirement for a fully informed public. The fucking "press" is bullshit to highlight. You must have fully informed citizens and you may not choose how that information is shared or disseminated between citizens. This is not democracy. People are so fucking stupid.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 86 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Notice how the article implies Samsung and other corporations don't want to do this, even though it's something they've wanted to do for a long time? They almost certainly lobbied and ghost wrote most of this legislation to begin with; now they play the victim, even though they're a perpetrator.

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 151 points 1 week ago (16 children)

The whole smart phone thing is such a lesson in letting go of the rope.

Once you let corporations get away with a little, they will eventually take everything.

Every time we lost a bit of control me and a few of enthusiasts were screaming, but the regular populace just shrugged...

Even on reddit you'd have to argue with idiots "oh just use Bluetooth headphones! Oh who needs sd cards, just use the cloud! Oh who needs rooting, it's not needed"

I swear to god if Windows / OS were invented today 80 of people would just shrug as all control of their PC was taken away.

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 111 points 1 week ago

If you don't control the device, you don't own the device.

[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 99 points 1 week ago (6 children)

An uncertified device can no longer be ... used

Oh, fuck. Call the French, they have the most active civil society that actually can burn a thing or two during a week or two. That is the craziest law ever, denying the most basic human rights! That is literally a prohibition of DIY of any kind.

[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

It feels like a generation from now, doing what was common in the US during the creation of Apple and Microsoft will be considered terrorism.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (6 children)

WTF just happened in Europe in the last few months. We used to be some sort of (dimmly lit) beacon of user freedom and privacy considerations. Now, I know there's been a push for new legislations that basically fuck individual privacy over, but last I checked it was just a proposal. And now we're doing a fucking 1260° turn toward full stanglehold on everything.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There's also this article from yesterday: Austria legalises state spyware amidst strong opposition

i wonder what changed. these regulations are certainly a threat. they justified it with the "threat of (islamistic) terrorism", though i don't know what's really going on there.

[–] not_amm@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I mean, Mexico has never been a beacon of privacy or regulations (just for super specific technologies that were implemented first, mostly banking ones), but the government has also been pushing weird changes to how they handle surveillance and personal identifications, giving more power to the authorities while they're exempt for most of the transparency laws (everything they do, even public infrastructure is managed as some kind of 'state secret').

I am scared.

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[–] LeTak@feddit.org 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This was the only reason I liked Android over iOS: the CFW community. I’ve been running some sort of CFW since Android 4.0. Now, the charm has gone. GrapheneOS, SailfishOS, e/OS, LineageOS, iode OS, and even CyanogenMod – I’ve used them all. Each one has its own target group and use case. I hope it turns into the better one again. It’s like forcing a PC to only run the OS it’s delivered with.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s like forcing a PC to only run the OS it’s delivered with.

That's coming. Everything else has been locked down.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 30 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I'm also convinced that we'll be herded ever more toward cloud computing. That is, we'll all have our "desktop" on the cloud and thin clients to access it.

Don't get me started on the dystopia I see coming from that.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

whether thin clients will prevail depends on the network costs and the CPU costs.

if the network costs become really low, shuffling more data around between user-device and server might be doable, but as long as network costs are non-negligible, it won't happen.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In a lot of places, fast Internet is ubiquitous and cheap.

Yeah there's going to be a few places that will be problematic. But most can get access to fast Internet now I think.

Also for non gaming the data requirement isn't so much.

I'm not talking about short term. It's a medium to longer term thing. But it will start to become commonplace soon I reckon.

idk, we'll see.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

So what? Linux computers are not compliant, can not use wifi, or what? I don't see how that prevents unlockable bootloaders, other than being used as an excuse by the manufacturers.

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[–] r00ty@kbin.life 48 points 1 week ago

In terms of the radio rules. The radio has always had its own firmware on android phones. The rules could be implemented using hardware fuses and restrictions on signed firmware updates for those specific systems.

That is they make the "single model for the world" as is generally economically the best option in many cases. And before shipping to distributors it's stamped with the region and the fuses for that region are blown. Now it doesn't mean it cannot be used elsewhere. But it means that it will follow all rules for the certification stamped on the device.

That would mean that any firmware for the main operating system cannot command it to do anything outside of the limits defined by those rules. So it's not really a technical reason not to allow custom bootloaders.

But of course, probably the manufacturers generally don't want you to be able to remove their firmware that is often filled with sponsored required app installs. So this is a convenient way to pretend their hands are tied.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This sounds like bullshit.

An uncertified device can no longer be legally marketed or used

Ok, but I'm not marketing my LineageOS phone and I don't believe Samsung can be responsible for me using it. It sounds like phones with custom ROM will simply lose CE certification (unless the custom ROM is itself certified). Samsung obtains the CE certification and sells certified phone. Making them responsible for anything that happens after that (besides regular updates) is something completely different than what this article talks about. It would basically mean that Samsung has to make sure that their devices cannot be hacked/rooted but ensuring security of hardware and software is something completely different and is covered by different laws. Even the RAD website clearly says this:

"In 2021, the Commission decided to pause the initiative following the announcement of the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA), due to potential overlaps. In 2023, it was agreed that cybersecurity requirements would transfer from the Radio Equipment Directive (RED) to the CRA."

[–] cookie019@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As far as I know our contractual law prevent being liable for damage caused by users own usage of a hardware or software. This is why tor browser developers arent in trial as liable for some scams that some users do using their software - because of their contract policy. So this excuse is jot valid - they locked bootloader jot because they are obligated or fear trial just because they do not luke private os which prevent them from harvesesting users data

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Not a coincidence that this comes I to existence just after TPM requirements. They want to lock everyone into using only government approved software. The death of freedom and liberty.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Chat message scanning can come in October, age verification is also introduced in various countries. Things are getting serious.

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